User talk:Fridemar


Hello Fridemar! Welcome to AboutUs.

I'm excited that you've chosen to explore the wonderful world of wiki here at - the place where everyone may collaborate to build the commons and community through their constructive edits and participation. Welcome! Check out the brand new tour to learn about wiki, what is all about and how to use the site to the fullest. From there, go ahead and and see what you can improve upon first on the wiki (pick a page and hit the edit button and go to town), whether it be a wiki DomainPage (just type the site into the search bar like this: and hit find) or your very own PersonalPage. I look forward to seeing your first edit here on!

Be sure to let us/me know if you have any questions along the way (you can leave a message on my talk page via the talk link by my name, join the AboutUs WebIRC here, or check the "currently online" section on the homepage for someone knowledgeable and send them a message on their talk page). I wonder if you might want to add a little information about yourself on your personal page? (Check out PersonalPages for guidance or click my name below as an example.) Please don't hesitate to let me know if you'd like some assistance in accomplishing your goals on AboutUs and if you fancy some help or new ideas I've found the help page to be a nice resource. Welcome to the AboutUs community - it's great to have you!

Have a most wonderful day!
KristinaWeis | **talk** 14:03, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

Hi Kristina, what a warm and nice welcome. Thank you. Unfortunately I noticed this page not earlier than today. Hey, this community is exactly realizing my dreams, I dreamt in the MeatballWiki. It is the dream of a Social Common Wealth. You call it simply the Commons. I coined it independently Meatball:SocialCommonWealth and registered all the top level domains *.com, *.net, *.biz, *.org, *.info to develop them with full engagement: in my dedicated blog, in wikis, forums, mailing-lists.

To make it attractive as a community effort, I have been suggesting to my peers to:

  • contribute digital goods and services, based on ideas, concepts, art, music, software.
  • buy related domains, where the peers could amplify each other's efforts
  • selling at last the domains to potent likeminded Internet players

This way, there is a good chance, that the community members can openly develop their ideas, based on the Creative Commons license (Author credit + Share Alike) and get also their "food on the table", which is not a trivial task, since most of the communities appear to stick to the Meatball:StayPoor meme and don't have yet detected the secret of the Meatball:HoofSmith paradigm. This metapher appears to me the base for a Meatball:OpenBusiness or more concrete: the base for a Meatball:OpenBusinessWiki.

Fortunately AboutUs allows the workers to realize some revenue for the thousands of hours, they put into their contributions. ( I am proud, that for some hundred hours of wiki publishing and blogging, I now earned nearly 2 US$ dollars by Adsense. :-) I hope, that as a community effort, each author at least gets enough revenue, that s/he is not forced to work for third parties, who don't care for the wellbeing of the planet.

This post is blogged for the mutual benefit: [[1]]

Do you allow Meatball:WikiBlogging?

Heaven for you and all the beings around us

-- fridemar

Oh hello

Sorry, I was just looking through the people currently online (you can see this on the homepage) and I noticed that you left me a message here... it will only alert me when a message is left on my talk page, but I'm glad I came across this... I'm about to read through it and send a reply your way.

Okay, I actually don't have an answer to your questions as of yet, but it sounds interesting. I will bring it up to a few fellow AboutUs staffers and see what they know on the subject. Thanks for your message, if you want to reply you can click the talk link below by my name to get to my message page. Have a good one!
KristinaWeis | **talk** 14:11, 25 June 2007 (PDT)
I talked with Brandon_CS_Sanders via the AboutUs WebIRC and he answers with a resounding "of course, as long as they are licensed under By-SA" to your question of whether AboutUs permits Meatball wiki blogging. I wish I knew more on the this topic, but I am excited at the synergy of the ideas that we all seem to share about what wiki can be and do. Good'ay.
KristinaWeis | **talk** 14:34, 25 June 2007 (PDT)
p.s. At WikiAnatomy we have some tours set up for newbies, but also an advanced track (tour 4 mostly) that highlights AboutUs values and the like. You might find it interesting.
KristinaWeis | **talk** 14:38, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

Wow! I'm in awe of your mediator work! ... One Tweak

Awesome is all I can say. It's fun to watch you work on UniversalWikiEditButton! Keep on rockin' :-)

Fridemar ... I love your energy on the UniversalWikiEditButton! There is one tweak to your style that I'd like to suggest. When I'm chatting with someone on their status page, I've found that I get a better response if I ruthlessly avoid trying to convince them and instead focus on listening to their concerns and tweaking the document to work from them. I love to convince people (salesman at heart), but I've found that I create a sort of allergic reaction when I include phrases that pressure them into changing from not yet to yes. I've gotten a high pressure sales tactic feeling from some of your comments and so thought I'd share my experiences in the hopes that they'd be helpful. Keep up the great listening work! It's a pleasure to be working with you :-) Warm Regards Brandon

PennyBank Brainstorming

moved to PennyBank.Biz_Discussion

PennyBank calls for founding collaborators (Brandon,Christophe,Jean-Christophe)

Brandon .. thank you for your subtle "tweak" on my talk-page. I left there some sneak preview information and offer you and other friendly and constructive peers to join the foundation committee with an investment of 0.80 US$ :-) Fridemar 16:20, 10 July 2007 (PDT)

Fridemar, I'm in. I'm a huge fan of transparency. I would like to make all of my financial transactions transparent. What is my next step? Brandon CS Sanders Caricature.jpg Brandon CS Sanders

User_talk:Brandon_CS_Sanders#Next_step:_Transparent_Bank_Account fridemar 16:38, 3 March 2009 (PST)

Hi Fridemar, not a lot of time but this PennyBank could interest my fellow worker Jean-Christophe Capelli. Don't hesitate to talk with him -- Christophe Ducamp | talk 06:10, 18 July 2007 (PDT)
Hi Christophe, from our long common history in Meatball, you know that you and your friends are welcome. What about a dedicated PennyBank in the French speaking part of the world? I will visit Jean-Christophe with a greeting/recommendation of you. Thank you. Fridemar 13:48, 18 July 2007 (PDT)

Media Wiki Syntax

try TheWikiWay:WikiSyntax - it is one stop on a starter tour for new wiki folk. Not sure I am tracking your last comment on my universal wiki edit button page. MarkDilley

Thank you Mark for the direct link, which saves me time; you are invited to be part of the PennyBank.Biz. How do you think about it? Fridemar 13:24, 10 July 2007 (PDT)


Yes, there are not many edits in just one day... it's pretty crazy how the number of edits has been increasing so steadily. In the URL you can override it to show 1,000 etc. if you wish, but I believe it won't go back more than a week, but a person's contributions list and a page's history will. KristinaWeis

Kristina, thank you for the useful tip. fridemar 13:58, 25 July 2007 (PDT)



I would just like to tell you about the WhoWeAre consensus poll. This is a unique opportunity for all community members to discuss and decide what AboutUs is and more importantly what role we, the community, plays.

The discussion is still in its initial stages and there are a handful of people involved in this discussion. But it's not enough. Every one of us has a stake in this process. We all need to air our views. Our opinions will make a difference. We cannot and must not let a handful of people define us. We must speak out and contribute because we are being defined and I for one would like to have a say in how I am being defined.

Please contribute to this really important project. Without you it cannot successfully create a good definition of who we are. Tanwir Shah

Thank you Tanwir, I have joined the action fridemar 15:03, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

Open source accounting software (David Bradon)

Fridemar, You were king enough to leave a question about accounting software in my pages. I am not sure if you have seen the answer:

I hope that we can find a way to work together . . . David Braden

David, thank you, I am going to you site and respond to you there. fridemar 16:35, 4 August 2007 (PDT)


Hi Fridemar, This is the message I'm sending to all people listed on Projects:WhoWeAre (TedErnst, Brandon CS Sanders, Obed Suhail, Asad Butt, MartinPfahler, Wally Wilson User:fridemar).

WhoWeAre stage 1 consensus poll went live just a few minutes ago.
If you have little time (one minute?), I invite you to take a look at your status page in the WhoWeAre stage 1 consensus poll and set an appropriate status message.
If you have more time, I invite you to look more closely at WhoWeAre and then at Projects:WhoWeAre to see what needs to be done, or add to the list of what needs to be done.
Thanks much! TedErnst

WhoWeAre facilitation

Hi Fridemar,

Thanks for indicating that you'd like to help with ConsensusPollFacilitation for WhoWeAre. The Stage 1 consensus poll has officially begun, and this note is to invite you to visit your status page and update the comment and/or the status. We also have Projects:WhoWeAre#Engaging facilitators as a place to keep track of what facilitators are doing. Feel free to jump right in with tasks on the list there and/or ask questions and/or add to the list. Thanks much!

peace, Ted Ernst | talk

skype or call

Hi Fridemar,

Getting ready to have a call soon, do you have Skype or shall I call your number? MarkDilley

NewSkin Beta Preview

Hello Fridemar!

We've noticed your contributions and are glad to be on the AboutUs team with you! As an ActiveMember your energy and ideas determine our future direction. One way that ActiveMembers stay "in the loop" is to participate in the beta previews of large new changes to the site before they are generally released.

Today we're starting a limited beta preview of an earthy NewSkin intended to reflect the alive and growing AboutUs community. The NewSkin is designed to feel wholesome and connected with the real world. This choice was made to reassure the many folks who feel that the internet is a "scary place" where mean people hide behind fake identities and shout insults at each other. We hope that the NewSkin evokes our values in a way that helps visitors and members alike feel grounded in true community.

We'd love your help putting the NewSkin through its paces! To give it a whirl you'll need to be logged in. Once you are logged in, go to "my preferences" | "skin" and select "design". Don't forget to then click the "save" button! You can always go back to the current skin by selecting "aboutus" via the same steps.

Your feedback on the new look for aboutus will help ensure that it has a maximally positive impact when we roll it out. Thanks for being a valuable member of the community, we look forward to your feedback on the NewSkin page!

Warm Regards,
the DevelopmentTeam

Thank you for the appealing skin and the notification. I am on the new design now. fridemar 13:17, 2 November 2007 (PDT)

WhoWeAre Stage 1 Consensus Poll

Hi Fridemar, The WhoWeAre Stage 1 Consensus Poll has surpassed all it's GoThresholds and the DoneTimer has started. This means that all participants now have the opportunity to check WhoWeAre Stage 1 one more time, to make sure that nothing has been overlooked. Please feel free to change the document and/or change your status, if need be. Best, Obed Suhail 02:48, 25 September 2007 (PDT)

WhoWeAre Stage 2

Hi Fridemar,

I just left you a note: WhoWeAre:Stage2Status/Fridemar. TedErnst | talk 14:52, 5 November 2007 (PST)


Hi Fridemar, nice to hear from you! Its always good to meet similar minded people; it opens new avenues to explore our areas of interest. Besides theology and philosophy, I also study world religions. Looking forward to work and learn with you on the Wiki. Have a very nice day :-) Best, Obed Suhail

Hi Obed, thank you for your notifications, your personal feedback and ... studying world religions. A knowledge-rich, peaceful and loving dialogue between the world religions (and beyond) is a substantial contribution for more peace and life-quality in the world. fridemar 13:05, 2 November 2007 (PDT)


I think I just did to something that I guess works for now. WhoWeAre and other value-related things are being articulated right now, but I think this one works for now... maybe? Kristina | **talk** 18:36, 2 November 2007 (PDT) Thank you Kristina, our actions were done in parallel; so there might be some edit-conflict. fridemar 18:43, 2 November 2007 (PDT)


Hi Fridemar, feel free to improve the template yourself, if you like, or make a new one that meets your needs. I didn't write the template, but even if I did, have at it! Just so you know, I am a HUGE CamelCase fan, and would love for them to be automatically linked. And, I'm guessing we will not be modifying mediawiki in this way, but instead adding CamelCase support to TopSoil, when we get there. Hope all is well with you, and I look forward to working with you more on the values. I loved your contribution to my FutureLink WorkInPublic! peace, TedErnst | talk 07:37, 3 November 2007 (PDT)

HowToMakeATemplate definitely needs someone to write it. I started. I asked Vartain if he'd like to do it. By the way, you have no link to your talk page from your PersonalPage anymore. TedErnst | talk 21:18, 3 November 2007 (PDT)

Hi Fridemar, thanks for sharing about your group’s work, I tend to mull new things a bit- your proposal is very interesting. I can appreciate the connections between people, mods to behavior and the potential for those engaged in the process to subvert traditional roles. I think it is exciting to explore the limitations and role of the specialist. When is your proposal due, how long has the group been working on it? I’d really like to learn more…. Also, I fixed a link from your user/personal page the ‘’Leave Me a Message’’ it directed to KristinaWeis. Kasey 10:49, 13 November 2007 (PST) Thx Kasey for fixing the link and for your interest. Tomorrow we have a conversation with the man, who is the gatekeeper, who can amplify or dampen our proposal. I think the future is peer to peer, similar like here in AboutUs. fridemar 12:24, 13 November 2007 (PST)

The girl subsequently sent an e-mail to support, but I don't know how/why she found you to message first. Sorry, Kristina 18:18, 4 December 2007 (PST)


I love the additions that you made and that you made them... but I don't really grasp them yet. Can you help me?  :) Kristina 23:22, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Thank you Kristina for the question :). For reasons, explained in User_talk:KristinaWeis#Benefit_of_BiLinks, I give you my answer there. fridemar 04:47, 16 January 2008 (PST)


User_talk:KristinaWeis#Benefit_of_BiLinks, [edit target]

Welcoming :)

I just saw this. Yay! Kristina .talk. .chat. 16:41, 6 February 2008 (PST)

bilinks and such


I haven't entirely groked the bilinks thing. Give me a tutorial? TedErnst (talk) 10:24, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Thank you Ted, I tried a first answer on your talkpage and its BiLinked context. --fridemar 17:18, 29 February 2008 (PST)


This seems like a really interesting concept. It's similar to a backlink, yes? I like it. TedErnst (talk) 16:19, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Using BiLinks is a cultivated form of using backlinks. They deliberately increase both, the value of the source and that of the target pages. Hopefully they will soon be supported by the WikiEngines or WikiBrowsers, because doing them manually is an exhausting (but worthwile) task. fridemar 17:22, 29 February 2008 (PST)


Hey Fridemar, are you interested in helping to add to the InterWikiMap? Is that of any interest to you? ~~ MarkDilley

ExtremeOpenBusiness reworking

Hello Fridemar. We have made this change quickly. Indeed I was reworking the ExtremeOpenBusiness page when I discovered your reworking. I am happy to see such rapid moves. However it appears coediting at the same time is impractical so I will wait until your reworking process is complete before I extend the process. It would like it if you could flag me when you have essentially completed your current work. Aaron Poeze 10:13, 20 June 2008 (PDT)

Thank you Aaron, for starting the reworking. Yes, I am back to the computer now and continue, leaving intermediary WorkInProgress messages (perhaps enriched with additional comments) on the Meatball:ShortDigest. After finishing my round, I leave (as suggested) a ready message here (or on your user talk-page User_talk:Aaron. By the way, my earlier experience with polished open dialogues is reflected in e.g. RiskSharingPassiveReturnBrainstorming and DomainRegistrarTransfer. fridemar 14:29, 20 June 2008 (PDT)


Aaron: Thankyou Fridemar. I look forward to seeing how I can help polish the document and appreciate you doing the hard yards. It also appears a community member here has refocused my personal information to the Aaron Poeze page under the concept of disambiguation. He suggests this is normal practice here.

I am uncertain of where I stand in this community new to me but having two personal pages to maintain on just one community site is very inefficient. I may have to abandon the Aaron page. Aaron Poeze 17:53, 20 June 2008 (PDT)

Fridemar: Hello Aaron, sorry for the disambuigation procedure (similar to the Wikipedia procedure), I didn't anticipate, because Aaron was not yet taken. In the case of Clarissa it was no problem; however in your case it appears to cause a problem (relativ to the other Aaron entries, who have a longer history here).

I think all the other Aaron entities will have a benefit from such superactive members as you (and myself), because this way they all get more exposure :-)

Yes TedErnst is an appreciated community and staff member, and has the painful responsibility to balance out a lot of different (often conflicting) interests. I thank him many helpful interventions and you will soon see, that he is on the side of friendly and constructive active community members. Frankly ask him or KristinaWeis for advice.

For synchronizing our goals, here my sketched vision for my next suggested steps: I would like to update and link my open domain portfolio to ExtremeOpenBusiness. This is realized as a rudimentary Google Spreadsheet to be developed into a buy/sell/makeoffer tool with an integrated payment gateway (howsoever, perhaps with your suggested LET, Ripplepay or GoogleCheck, Paypal or NamePros or ... transactions)

If you too create your open domain-portefolio as such a Spreadsheet, (even if it has a single entry) we can link them with each other and offer to act as pilot testers, simulating the endproduct with real world data.

We can go on, telling our Wiki:UserStory, formulating our Wiki:AcceptanceTest and running through the whole gammut of [Wiki:ExtremeProgramming] practises, inviting programmers of the OpenSource/CreativeCommons movement to programm such an interface for SocialDomaining.

We might consider too, I have green light from them to use this wonderful Spreadsheet software for zero cost, although it is a (social) commercial application.

I see a lot of PR-relevant OpenMails we can write, to trigger the process, combined with real business transactions. En passant we will generalize the XP principles, adapting them to ExtremeOpenBusiness, applied to SocialDomaining.

There is so much stuff to collaborate on in HolisticMode (See Meatball:CollaborativeMode ), that every helping hand is welcome to participate.

It's important to strive for tasty morcel presentations of our ideas; otherwise our readers/collaborators will have to suffer from mental overload.

fridemar 18:46, 20 June 2008 (PDT)

Disambigation Aaron

I will ask him then and verify his desire I abandon the Aaron page. -- Aaron

Here is the bilink, where I made a stab for short names as another incentive for attracting new members to the Aboutus community.

User_talk:TedErnst#Disambigation fridemar 03:48, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
I have responded User_talk:TedErnst#Disambuigation -- TedErnst (talk) 19:10, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

Reworking ExtremeOpenBusiness

I am working on the ExtremeOpenBusiness page atm. When I am complete I'll let you know and you can let me know how some changes might not be best, remember I have not reworked a wiki before. I may also leave notes for you where you input would be appreciated. -- Aaron

Ok. fridemar 04:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

Agreement on Spreadsheet

I enthusiastically agree with adding the spreadsheet in and I will do the same copying the format you use for consistency. -- Aaron

Ok. fridemar 04:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

Basic Rework complete

I've finished this basic reworking and you can go ahead and change/see what you think. I hope I have added some value and clarity.

I am wondering how much of the conversation mode you want to retain. I think the offers and acceptances we make are worth preserving in an 'as is' conversation but am inclined to slash up the rest for conciseness.

Yes Aaron, what about slashing it into the annotation sphere TrailFire. fridemar 04:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

I agree with making the new page on our move to AboutUs. We also need to complete the signatures and make the links we want active to work.

Yes, definitely. fridemar 04:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

Division of work: Focus on AboutUs / WardsWiki

I will now focus a little more of AboutUS as a community. That page was the first priority but it's time to discover what makes AboutUs tick and the kind of expectations that exist here. -- Aaron

In the meantime I concentrate myself (besides the Spreadsheet work) on adapting XP stuff to XOB in WardsWiki. fridemar 04:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)

List of Reasons to Move

Thanks for the work on FromMeatballToAboutus as well. I was wondering if you could add your list of compelling reasons to move to that page which was originally on AaronPoeze in MeatBall.

Hopefully today this identity crisis (haha!) can be sorted. I guess we also need to explore what form of WikiBank-like process to use. There are so many part solutions. Is developing our own a good idea? I also think we would benefit by drawng in more people. That kind of begs them to ask what we are doing. Maybe this needs to be more prominent.

BlipTV and StenoMotion response

Aaron: This BlipTV certainly sounds promising. I had a bit of a look aorund and it doesn't seem to locked in which is even better. Of course it means your suggestion of 'like reality tv' was literal!

StenoMotion is a concept i do not yet fully understand. I watched your pieces on Youtube.

I have a vague idea of the intention. Which is to use shorthand in a sign language method. I suppose you know of my hearing impairment via the blog. As it happens I am one of the few with such hearing impairment that do know the local sign language (Auslan). I was brought up in a 'normal' mode with no special education.

However, I have some deaf friends and I understand how Auslan and some other sign works. Do you have experience with the deaf community in Germany? Aaron Poeze 03:49, 23 June 2008 (PDT)

Fridemar: Hello Aaron, yes might be the way to go with ExtremeOpenBusiness; "i" looked at the site, but could only verify, that they accept the video flash format *.flv and not (yet) the more general format *.swf, which is freely hosted at and which "i" suggested together with *.wnk to be hosted at Aboutus (must find the link and redirect to it from SwfAboutus,WnkAboutus). Swf allows interactive videos with a scripted language and thus is superior to flv.

We can suggest it in an OpenMail to BlipTV, linked from, to motivate them to make it an acceptable file format. If this doesn't work, we can reuse the same proposal, directing them to hundreds of other social video sites, who are represented on Aboutus, until some insightful providers accept this suggestion. This too is another example for the power of XOB.

Yes Stenomotion,, etc. needs

  • development, embedding all existing YT videos on special Aboutus pages and adding additional wiki-context.
  • new YT or Blip videos

As a happy coincidence we both share the appreciation for the deaf community, "i" invite you to share investment-costs, work and gain for all the involved domains. Could you please tell something about G Auslan. It's a good implicit tip of you to initiate a contact to the German deaf community. You see, that our XOB calls for a lot of more people to join. In the same sense as XP started with with Wiki:PairProgramming, we start with Wiki:PairDeveloping. fridemar 05:59, 23 June 2008 (PDT) PS.: "i" reminds to the wisdom of Wiki:EgolessProgramming,Wiki:EgolessDeveloping and beyond :-)

More SocialDomaining

I bought the rest of the top level (namely .net .info and .biz) domains for extremeopenbusiness. I'm redirecting them all to the aboutus extremeopenbusiness page. Aaron Poeze 03:48, 23 June 2008 (PDT) ps i must remember to sign off more often

This is great. I am happy, that those domains are in the right hands and not owned by somebody unknown, who acts as a (tentatively putting in this generic link for searching/creating possibly a better one) G FreeRider, which gives rise to the G Wikipedia:Free_rider_problem. fridemar 04:50, 23 June 2008 (PDT)


User Talk: Ray King



I'm not sure I fully understand it and don't have the time engage further, but am happy to send the $100 as a gesture of support since you're doing something interesting. Please let me know what's the best method. - Ray | <small>talk</small> 11:09, 16 February 2009 (PST)

Your Open Business Idea

Hi Fridemar! Ray is off at a conference and I thought I would chip in and try and figure out next steps. He is definitely in the c) Or is the money meant to give a support for my voluntary community work. camp :-) So next step is to see how we can get you the money. I read through your ideas and am still unclear. Best, MarkDilley

Thank you Mark for this friendly notice, I'll respond on your talk-page: G user_talk:mark_dilley. Best, fridemar 16:18, 2 March 2009 (PST)

Hi Fridemar, I have just gotten back from a memorial from my grandmother - catching up on communications - we still need to figure to get the seed $ for your idea to you. Now I would like to help convey your message to Ray - but I am not sure what iti is. Best, MarkDilley
Fridemar, I am in charge of getting this task done. Please give me specific instructions on what to do next please. Best, MarkDilley
Trailfire looks cool - haven't gotten into it yet. Still hoping for clear direction to get the funds in the right spot :-) Best, MarkDilley


Hi Fridemar - I concur with you on BiLink - but LinkPair doesn't do it for me either - I always think of BiLink - can you help me think of a better term for this, all I can come up with is the horrible DisambiguisLink or InternalExternalLink... Best, MarkDilley

Hello Mark, What about DualLink, 2Link, DoubleLink, DuoLink, LinkDuo, Twicey, TwoLinks, SecondLink, SL, 2L, InExt, IE-Link ;-), InExtDuo, Duo, ... ? fridemar 16:35, 8 July 2009 (PDT)

BiLink is also limited by the number 2. It may be a bit too far ahead but MultiLink works better for me. Aaron Poeze 00:32, 6 November 2009 (PST)

two items

I friedmar - I do see the svg image in the StenoWikiTestpage - however I do notice that it is not able to be sized.

Hi Mark, thank you for the feedback, what browser/OS did you use? And why doesn't it resize .. it worked all the time until now.

Also - did you order the SpotlightUs service through PayPal last month? Best, MarkDilley

On your question, I updated, hoping to have answered your question. No I didn't order, not yet. Should I?

... :-)

fridemar 19:18, 5 August 2009 (PDT)


Friedmar - I have not had the time to understand what you are talking about - I am often dense - unfortunately I haven't had the time to do a deep dive on this yet - and I appreciate your reminders - but unfortunately can't get to it on the time line you are wanting / needing. Best, MarkDilley


It is perhaps best we synchronise here in public.

As you know I am grounding back into WikiSpace and we have several areas that need addressing. So here there is talk about my interests, yours and ours and we can move forward with it somewhere.

SocialDomaining I admit I am weak in understanding this element. Not so much the social side but the domaining side. I've simply not understood domain trading. It appears to have elements of preemption, market finding, word finding, development in a basic sense, and marketing to those who are likely to use the domain.

I know you have some skill in this area and certainly some experience but when I do it I feel rather lost in the woods about how to reach the end point namely WealthCreation in the general sense or even in the old fashioned sense.

XOB I still like this concept. It is imperative there are more than us 2 involved. If needs be we water it down into someone else's project. Whose? We can always fork/recreate/spinoff later. It is so difficult to find people who both have the time and the inclination into these non mainstream ideas.

A secondary thing is given the prevalence of closed business we have to find some open/closed balance with them for integrating business more broadly.

CoEditing Truly excited by this. There is Google Wave which i think shall prove a popular tool for this activity. We too experimented with an even more powerful version using the skype, yuuguu and wiki combination. It is perhaps possible to leverage this into something.

Criticism of Listening Few like criticism but I offer some. Your energy and, let's face it, enthusiasm for your various ideas drives you to a lot of activity with them. That much is good but it also makes you a poor listener. You hear the sounds and even have admirable English. But in expressing what you wish to express you sometimes miss what another wants to contribute.

Please also if you have a criticism of me I will hear it.

Too Many Fingers in too Many Pies One criticism I would extend to both of us is we lack focus. Our energy is fragmented into many paths, some of which I cover here. We need to direct more into one place and the keyword is discipline. I am working on this area. It's important and I think I shall provide information on my time schedule to make it easier for us to work together.

Reputation The reputation of (our) business conduct in OpenBusiness or XOB is critically important. We already know the role reputation plays in traditional business but in XOB one has no rock to hide mistakes and corruption under. This is a good thing but it also means exposure and the public are not always fair. WuffieBank is a concept I think we should keep an eye on. It could well become an integral part of XOB. One might, for example, buy actions and materials with Whuffies which, if the activity is productive, will earn a flow of whuffies because people respect the outcome. In this way XOB may appear hierarchical but it would instead be a meritocracy system where those with the skills/talents/sheer luck will enabled. One of course must be careful not to make it a barrier.

A cornerstone of good business I have come to realise is the concept of 'getting what you are paying for'. This is a crucial element I want part of XOB to maximise reputation. One of the key issues with many otherwise smart businesses, is the frequent outcomes where a participant has not gotten what they are paying for. Which is bad communication in some cases but is rather often deceit in one form or another. I doubt XOB can afford such behavior. I'm not even sure closed business can at the levels it's happening given how much the global business structure is wavering.

Stenography I think it would be a good idea if you put the idea to the deaf community and see their feedback. this would cost considerable time but would very much unline the strength and weakness of the idea. Possibly try deaf language translators too for the work and translation focus.

GenderMorph Something I'd not seen before though I know there are muscle morph enthusiasts. Its popularity does make sense to me and making the process fun is certainly a boon.

GenderMorph can be a positive experience for players in terms of understanding other genders, transgender tolerance, and the fun of being whatever you want to be.

One concern I do have is it's effect on reputation because of the imagery and the public perception of that might not be positive. In fact a broader issue is how to deal with public perception in an open system. We may need guidelines of good conduct which are neither so pandering to public whim that we are paralysed nor so flexible we expose ourselves to unnecessary reputation losses.

Learning I am always learning. I can see activity in many spheres and I feel like we are all reaching for something.

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