RK Discussion Archive/5
Contents
- 1 AboutUsPeopleCleanup
- 2 community team and content team
- 3 Locking my page
- 4 DannyGs Questions
- 5 Harassment from staff(ScottKeeler)
- 6 VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO RAY KING
- 7 Hello
- 8 WhoWeAre Consensus Poll
- 9 When Is Enough Enough?
- 10 New Skin
- 11 bryanbl
- 12 Hi Ray!
- 13 TedErnst
- 14 Report
- 15 adoreme.cn
- 16 Toughcases
AboutUsPeopleCleanup
Hi Ray, as an effort to minimize the distinction between AboutUsStaff and ActiveMembers, we are replacing the AboutUsStaff/AboutUsEmployees/AboutUsStaffCity categories with AboutUsCity Category. You are welcome to share your ideas/thoughts on AboutUsPeopleCleanup#Discussion page. Best, Asad
- Looks good, I added a comment to the above page, thx - Ray | talk
community team and content team
Ray, Just wondering who's on which team. Will this be self-identified? I wonder if I should be asking folks which team is their "home" or if you'll be handling that, or assigning? Ted Ernst | talk
- Ted, I'm talking with folks now about this, i.e. letting folks opt into the adhocracy as much as possible. I may ask for some help shortly - Ray | talk
Hey Ray, I'm starting to get anxious about this question again. Mark and I have been working on getting at least one task fully into shape, so we can then pair with others on getting the others tasks into shape. I'm still not sure who's in the team, so who to pair with. Thoughts? peace, Ted Ernst | talk
Locking my page
The user "DannyG" is vandalizing my talk page and user page.He is persistently editing them.This is a request to lock my pages down to the revision made by me at "02:37, 29 August 2007"
Darkgiant 20:53, 28 August 2007 (PDT)
Well I would have to admit I was guilty of editing the said page. I felt that DG was mistakenly deleting my comments since he has openly said he does not like comments removed. For that I am sorry and have ceased to edit the page. If he chooses to put my comments back up it will be his choice. Thanks. DannyG
DannyGs Questions
Location: http://www.aboutus.org/User_talk:Master_Baitor (Be certain to check the history to understand)
One of the questions User DannyG would not let up on me without answering but will not actually let me answer as he continues to taunt me but at the same time deletes my posts with no reason why, Rather childish and I would be very concerned about your site association with this user. There is alot more history to this user than meet your inbox so...Dont say later that I never gave you the heads up!
Questions 1
Art states that he has his own children and would not post pictures of them in the same style he has posted himself, girls in see through clothes with their legs around their head, but he chooses to promote other parents to do this. How can one say that they allow this from others and following the beliefs he has stated? Is this not being hypocritical? Does this not show that he is trying to justify his own actions? --DannyG 20:22, 28 August 2007 (PDT)
Answer 1
Answer Question 1: [REPLACED THIS RESPONSE AS DannyG KEEPS DELETING IT NOW AT TWENTY FIRST POST]
- :: For starters DannyG you were banned from my website for posting disgusting n-de pictures of little girls in and your preteen torrents were so bad on the pirate bay they actually deleted some of them, and the pirate bay allows allot of content as it even has the nickname as the pedo bay, do a search on google for your name show thousands of comments and as large as the pirate bay is ALL your comments are about pedophile material and daily I might add, you have been charged with Child Pornography Charges and have already spent years in prison as a convicted sex offender of little children but you visit daily for hours on end sites with this content and then get your jollies convincing people you do nothing wrong and are there to help others, I know this is NOT the case and you have a collection worse than I could ever image as I never moved onto the unrecoverable stage of hardcore child pornography as you have openly admitted.
- Any person that actually listened to to your words DannyG that you have time and time again tested to convince people that you are the good guy, You are the conman criminal sex offender that attempts to convince people to allow them access to their children and you attack others to gain yourself some respect amongst those that don't know your tricks yet but you don't know everything I have studied and I have studied Child Protection and you cannot gain access to courses to help protect children without passing numerous tests (at least in my country that make it hard to even get into a course relating to children let alone complete one or more - I Studied these course namely as I know what is out there so I have studied to protect MY children and will strongly defend them from harm) you are the very person we should all be protecting our child from!
- And that is the god honest truth! Be very careful about trusting anything he says that would be my words of wisdom to all those that read this. He will convince you otherwise as he is very sneaky and has dealt with police and others in prison just like himself for many years.
- Now since you always ask questions that are basically accusations in statements that all but force a person to respond and more often than not your questions are phased to initiate an emotion response so that any person answering them sounds like the one in error. Thus further adding to your creditability.
- I am a loving father and if my children wanted to play a sport that involved them getting injured I would attempt to protect them and not let them do it (I would ask them first ofcourse to be fair, but convince them not to) The same can be said for the modeling industry, there are allot of fine photographers that can do very professional and stunning work with children and all thought my two daughters are very beautiful and would not mind being photographed I feel that as a parent I have the right to decide for them not to be setup for possible failure as professional models as I of all people openly and honestly admit I know what they would be up against in comparison to around the world and If I as a parent choose for my children not to enter that industry who are you to tell me I am wrong. :: ART also known as USER ArtSapience
- I have just removed words pasted by user DannyG for the second time that I did not write and he put my signature at the end of and then commenting on the words I didn't write for here?
- How false and misleading can a user be before it is classed as harassment? ART 19:23, 30 August 2007 (PDT)
- You have no idea how many arguments the user DannyG is going to make you go through! I have begun helping this community site and now I am slowed in my efforts to help your site by this new user. ART 23:02, 30 August 2007 (PDT)
Harassment from staff(ScottKeeler)
I would like to report the harassment from one of your staff members(ScottKeeler) regarding our site,staff, and users.It has been documented and archived at our wiki so that no other parties on this site will edit it or otherwise make changes to it out of context.Is this how AboutUs Staff is told to represent it's self to the community? Harassment
- I've just looked at the IRC transcript and agree that this is clearly not the way we wish to discuss things with our community, you included of course. I will add to this tomorrow. - Ray | talk
- I have forwarded both your post on art's page and the post you just made on my page to art for him to contact you further,as he is the head of our legal department ,he is the one who should be dealing with this as legal actions were threated by the user Scott Keeler on the behalf of AboutUs, as a staff member of AboutUs.Also i will not be joining your irc server at all,i have no way of ensuring that my privacy and security will be maintained on your public server.ART should be in contact with you as soon as he gets my messages Darkgiant 21:48, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO RAY KING
Ray King,
Personally I have been very polite and patient with your website if you balance the professionalism shown by your site to my personal actions towards your site, there is a certain bias on your websites behalf about our domain and as our website is completely legal and your site continues to allow the bias and obviously false remarks that it is somehow illegal among many other acusations we have taken so much abuse from members of your website and have not been provided the freedom of speech that others on this site have had available to them and with the bias of opinions from the staff of this site I kindly discussed the matter on your IRC service as I was invited to do so by your staff member Scott Keeler and as you can read he clearly has no thought or consideration for the members of this website community and I have requested to no longer take any part with a website that allows pedophilia activities to take place, for if you allow something to continue then you are condoning it are you not. You will not prevent it so therefore you allow it and this is the case with certain members of this site and I am a child protection advocate and a father of two and cannot allow myself to be associated with a company that allows these activities to take place, also the libelous remarks and bias comments made by users about our site and to me personally have fallen on deaf ears when informing staff and have been on numerous occasions posted and then locked so we cannot remove these libelous remarks about my person and this is extremely unprofessional behavior of any company anywhere in the world and the fact that you will not even follow your own sites policies says allot for the credibility of anything members of your site wish to convey as if your website does not even believe the words it tells it self in its policies then how can we be expected to believe anything that the website AboutUs.org is wishing tell us.
To have a complete transcript of the chat conversation that your company has decided to take legal matters over the above you may find this hosted on our wiki website under your domain reference. We have also begun compiling users around the internet that feel very strongly about the poor services and that of communications with your website. I had offered to help build this community of yours but now it would seem apparent that my skills should be used to prevent others from falling into the trap your website provides all persons on the internet holding a domain name.
Hello
Hey Ray, Just wanted to say hello.. and keep up the good work! Bryan
WhoWeAre Consensus Poll
Hi Ray, did you see the recent changes made to WhoWeAre document? Could you please have a look at Stage 1 for WhoWeAre and see if it works for you and set your status accordingly? Feel free to change the document if you think it can be improved. Let me know if you have any questions. Best, Asad
When Is Enough Enough?
Ray, Misha has made more direct libelous statements about my person, last time she stated I was molesting my children which is both disgusting and highly offensive and now she clearly states that I have intentions of having sexual relations with my children, How is this appropriate behavior on a public forum Ray? The statements are 100% False and have no substance other than here pure bias hatred for a me. I have offered to help her with many aspects of her duties here as I have a great deal of experience on this subject but I must keep this user profile intact and maintain this users identity to complete the assignment given and this User Misha jeopardizes this greatly, What is to be done about this user?
She has breached numerous of your websites policies time and time again and she still maintains the constant ability to attack people and commit hate crimes against other in the community including slanderous/libelous remarks that any person would not say in front of there own mother lat alone accuse another without substance.
Further she did not like some of the input I have made for the resolution of the Pedophilia problem you obviously have, I have created a Questionable Content Policy including templates that are both fair and non-bias but require community discussion before implementation but Misha cut my entire discussion input about this new policy and dumped it on a thread for a website not related to the comments, this is clearly an abuse of power and what has been done or what shall be done to discipline a user who show such disregard for another's basic humans rights?
Please check this discussion area (You may need to discover the history by the time you read this) Also perhaps look through the Questionable Content Policy while you are there
http://www.aboutus.org/Pedophile_Warning_Policy_Discussion#Moved_Comments_to_Art_Sapience
Ray > Art
Art, I'm happy to spend more time on this, as I did a couple of weeks ago when you asked me to. I will repeat (in summary) the guidelines that feel appropriate to me:
- What we should respect:
- Everyone's right to free speech and an opinion
- Intellectual property rights
- Discussion and discourse
- What has no place on our site:
- Libel or slander
- Personal attacks
- Non constructive content
It has been difficult to keep up with the comments that have appeared around your site and the overall topic area. So to the extent that we have not held to these standards in a timely manner, I apologize and can tell you that we are trying. I am also not trying to take a side; I would simply like your site properly presented, with some intelligent discourse so readers will be well informed and be able to form their own opinions. As I said before, we are not perfect, but I can tell you that as a company, we will try to stand by the above guidelines. I have seen your negative posts about AboutUs and they are painful, but while we are less than perfect, it's hard for me to say anything. My tact will be to act in the best way we know how and let you continue to form your opinion based on what you see.
Let me know your thoughts on the guidelines I have listed above. If you have improvements, I'm happy to hear them. And then let's agree to work within this framework towards a result that presents ArtSapience fairly on AboutUs. - Ray | talk
Ray: ART is working on a policy that seems pretty fair. I am now working with him to see if we can come up with a viable solution that fits all parties. As you know we both don't see eye to eye on his site but the policy is necessary and that comes first. --DannyG 19:24, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
This is very good, and I agree. If I can be of help to anyone, please let me know. I'm of the opinion that we should remove all the negative comments and try to work with each other, like we're (seemingly) attempting to do. In the spirit of constructive editing, there's no point in leaving all the negative stuff up but to fuel the flames further (alliterism is unintended). Nathan (talk) 19:52, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
- Yes, what I did last time was to go through and simply delete anything that didn't belong (regardless of who said it) and then try to refactor so it was more easily readable. - Ray | talk
- Also, I've continued this thread here, rather than use everyone's talk page just to keep it in one place, but if that's not working for anyone, please let me know and I'll ping their talk page also. - Ray | talk
- I think the bickering has come to and end between ART and myself. If you read Questionable_Content_Policy/Talk You will see that ART has put some good thought into this policy. I don't know if the flag idea can be implemented but it would be good if it could. If it could, I would support the whole policy myself. As I said, both parties here are on oppisite sides of the fence and if we can both agree it should be seriously looked at by the staff. Just my opinion. Thanks --DannyG 20:39, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
New Skin
Isn't it beautiful? KristinaWeis 23:00, 4 September 2007 (PDT)
let's chat about brians mediation help. ~~ iMarkDilley
bryanbl
let's chat re: Bryans mediation ideas. ~~ iMarkDilley
Hi Ray!
Hi Ray! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Austinvoice (talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 September 2007 EDT.
TedErnst
I was having a discussion with Ted and all of a sudden he states he will refuse to read or listen to any discussions i may have.You can see a log of the discussion Here Is this really how AboutUs staff wishes to conduct business with its members? By stating they will refuse to listen to what i have to say,when my remarks are being made to help the community and are not insulting or otherwise against the AboutUs policy? Here is an excerpt
- "And you're okay with people ignoring your comments because they're marked minor? In fact, I'm going to ignore your comments..."Ted
- A staff member who is openly stating he is going to ignore a user who is attempting to contribute to the community and help with the wiki by creating unbiased templates and policies,and contributing to open discussions ,dosen't sound like the role of a proper staff member to me? Darkgiant 22:42, 5 September 2007 (PDT)
Report
The user Jackjones is making non-constructive edits on TedErnst/talk talk page,not only are they non-constructive they are of a demeaning nature and are a personal attack on me. here is the revert history [1] Darkgiant 09:09, 6 September 2007 (PDT)
- I was just making an humorous observation to the text above about the use of minor edits and the language that was being used by both DG and Ted in relation to the use of minor edits.
It seemed rather childish, if you have a look im sure you will see. Darkgiant seems to be quite sensitive about his age, therefore i will try my best not to try and upset him any further in relation to his minor status, or his tender age. But really to go running "to Staff" seems a bit immature. Jack Jones.
- Since you could not actively hold a proper discussion and you continued to edit the page including this attack,i was forced to take further actions.That is how its seems things are handled here,you have to go the the "powers that be" to have anything done,and there is no real community.Would it not also be immature to attack someone? Darkgiant 09:30, 6 September 2007 (PDT)
There was no discussion, you removed my text without a reply. Please dont remove any more text,discussion rather than editing is far more constructive. Let Ray read the whole text and not just what you want him to read. Jack Jones.
- I removed the personal attack against me from that page,you persisted to revert it back adding this attack in. Darkgiant 09:44, 6 September 2007 (PDT)
adoreme.cn
This just caught my eye, adoreme ? maybe worth a closer look at. Jack Jones.
Toughcases
Ray tried to hit you off on IRC
- [12:58]
ray you around - [12:59]
i just noticed your note on toughtcases:mediate and didnt consider this when making ConflictResolutionIdea - [12:59]
[toughtcases:mediate] http://www.aboutus.org/toughtcases:mediate - [12:59]
[ConflictResolutionIdea] http://www.aboutus.org/ConflictResolutionIdea
let me know what I can do..--DaughertyBw 10:01, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Ray, Let me know if you want me to continue editing ConflictResolutionIdea or if it will not be needed.. If you would like I can make it more clear and actually give it a little better structure. thanks --DaughertyBw 09:32, 8 September 2007 (PDT)
