UniversalWikiEditButton ConsensusPoll
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We're Done When ...
We are definitely done with this version of the UniversalWikiEditButton if we can reach and maintain the levels of consensus described in this section.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of Wikitravel to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of WikiHow to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of Wikia to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of WardsWiki to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of MeatballWiki to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of CommunityWiki to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of AboutUs to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 ActiveMembers of Wikipedia to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- We need at least 90% of at least 10 Active at large wiki users to be at YES on the current version of the icon.
- The "Edit This" Button stays above the GoThresholds and remains unchanged for at least 48 hours. Each time the icon changes the DoneTimer resets to zero.
How to participate
If you don't feel strongly about this decision, please feel warmly welcomed to work on other things. If you are feeling ProcessFatigue please feel warmly welcomed to take a break. Before leaving, please consider leaving either a yes or not yet status with an explanatory comment.
Taking a break while leaving a yes status means:
- "Given the GoThresholds for this poll and the people who are participating it feels extremely unlikely that this poll could succeed without creating a high quality "edit this page" icon. I trust you all to watch out for my interests and come to a good decision. If the GoThresholds were lower, or if Suzy Trustworthy wasn't actively participating I might feel otherwise. I know that Suzy Trustworthy will ping me if I need to become involved again. So, have at it friends and know that I support your effort in spirit even if I can't actively participate right now."
Taking a break while leaving a not yet status means:
- "Given the GoThresholds for this poll and the people who are participating it feels like this poll might pass even if the icon isn't high quality. If the GoThresholds were higher, or if Suzy Trustworthy was actively participating I might feel otherwise. But since the thresholds are so low and no one I know from my own personal experience to be trustworthy is involved, I'm going to ensure that the final results are better by leaving my vote a not yet. The plan can still succeed, it will just require higher levels of support to counteract my not yet."
If the icon in its current form doesn't speak to you, please directly edit the icon. No need to explain your every edit, just tweak the icon until it works for you. (EfficientlyExpressedSuggestions)
Status: Not Yet
- We have 0 (0%) YES of 4 ActiveMembers of Wikitravel
- We have 1 (25%) YES of 4 ActiveMembers of WikiHow
- We have 0 (0%) YES of 3 ActiveMembers of Wikia
- We have 0 (0%) YES of 0 ActiveMembers of WardsWiki
- We have 0 (0%) YES of 1 ActiveMembers of MeatballWiki
- We have 2 (66%) YES of 3 ActiveMembers of CommunityWiki
- We have 3 (33%) YES of 9 ActiveMembers of AboutUs
- We have 0 (0%) YES of 0 ActiveMembers of Wikipedia
Participants
Wikitravel
- Cacahuate NotYet to the logo, but I love the concept. I like green, but it's just not quite extraordinary enough yet. Sorry I can't help with the actual design, but I'll know something great when I see it!
- NJR_ZA NotYet Very good concept, but I don't think the icons are unique or descriptive enough yet. Clicking on a wiki edit button is not just about editing a page; it is also about us, the people of the world, doing things for ourself rather than depending on a government or multinational company to do it for us. I think the icons should reflect that.
- TVerBeek NotYet I'm OK with the idea, but a bit unclear on the goal, and totally unclear on (and therefore uncomfortable with) the "process" this page is apparently supposed to embody. I'm certainly not about to vote "yes" on something where the logo being voted on changes without warning after I've voted, and includes examples that I don't think work at all. (If I wanted that, I'd move to Florida.) Since I don't know how/where I'm supposed to comment on the proposed icons, I'll do it here: The "two way web" is an esoteric buzzphrase that means nothing to most people, so an icon based on it would be equally meaningless. Delta as a symbol of change is only meaningful to math/science geeks, and the shape has connotations of danger in other contexts. The "stylized pencil" is the only one that I think conveys the concept of "edit". Most of the others are just arbitrary graphics.
- Evan Prodromou NotYet I think this is a great idea, and I think it's great to use the consensus polling method to try to work out a plan. A couple of process points: groups with "wiki" in the name already have a leg up; people have at least a vague understanding that "wiki" implies "editable". I like the idea but I'm not excited about any of the icons yet. I'd probably put my weight behind something with a pencil in it, however anachronistic and Eurocentric that may be.
WikiHow
- Nicole Willson NotYet Love the concept and appreciate all the initiative taken to do this. I love the idea of green and something involving a notepad or pencil, but I agree that it doesn't make me all psyched about editing. Maybe a pencil with some lines or waves radiating from it in the same spirit of the RSS logo.
- Flickety NotYet I love the concept of finding ways of drawing us together. But I'm not sure this is the right way to go about this & is dependent on how we see perceive "branding" & what we think our users are searching for/comprehending. For wikiHow at the moment, the proposed green icon design does not fit with our site re-design. Green was discussed as part of general input into the site re-design & was considered unsuitable for design & visual reasons. And as for our users, I'm yet to be convinced that at this stage many of them are going to get the wiki aspect from this button. I like the idea of us being brought together more but I don't yet get the feeling that the proposed design at this stage is going to work for us.
- Vivek D Rohra NotYet I agree with the central idea, that there should be a standardized button, but the colour proposed, i.e. green, which was considered as unsuitable for our newly upcoming Site design after some long discussions, makes me hesitant to agree completely on it.
- Dave Crosby YES Fully behind the concept. Icon is good for me.
Wikia
- Angela Beesley NotYet I like the idea of the brackets but I'm not convinced this exact representation of them is the best we can come up with. I'm not sold on the idea of green or even on standardizing on any color. If the symbol is simple enough, color could be optional. It shouldn't include any text - this has to be language-independent. See translations of "edit" - most of these don't easily fit in an icon.
- Gil NotYet We need a more neutral color - and I agree on language-independent. Nice idea though, I appreciate you kicking off the thought process
- Catherine NotYet I don't care whether it's green or not, but I think color is more important than symbol -- the identifiable orange of the RSS button tells me much more about what kind of content page I'm on (even without me directly looking at it) than the symbol does. But like everyone else, I think the idea of a UniversalEditButton itself is a brilliant and important one.
WardsWiki
DonaldNoyes -- The idea has merit in indicating participation in a unified way of doing things, and might more appropriately be applied to InterWiki involvement and compatability with an InterWikiMarkupLanguage making edits mean the same thing among wikis participating.
MeatballWiki
- SunirShah NotYet I'm all for the green, but shapes don't say edit to me. To put my pen where my mouth is, I drew some fountain pen nib shaped icons above to demonstrate icons that speak more readily to me. By the way, I also think some basic usability testing can be done (see below).
- FridemarPache Template:Yes
CommunityWiki
- Sam Rose NotYet I like the idea, but would be neat to see some more people bang it around, to get even more "universality" into it. A recognizeable-enough symbol so that even non-wiki-users can instantly recognize what this does.
- Lion Kimbro YES Well, it's certainly the right color. I'm not super-excited about this, but hey, I'm here, and dressed for the ball. Why not?
- Mattis Manzel YES Excellent idea. I'm not sure about green and not overwhelmed by the current examples. My eyes ain't better than Ted's, I can't see the pencil either. If it doesn't take us three months Sunir's idea is good. Asking just many people instead of many, many might already lead to a good result.
AboutUs
- TedErnst NotYet I'm intrigued by the words "UniversalWikiEditButton" but I don't know what it means. Which image is the current one? What happens when this consensus poll succeeds? Are we making a decision for all these wikis? Also, I like the green color, but all I see are green blobs. I cannot see the pencil or anything else inside these small green icons. Maybe my eyes are just bad, but if I can't see them, they have zero affordance for me, and I'd guess for others. I like Sunir's stuff about testing with users.
- ScottKeeler NotYet I'm confused how this will be implemented. Will it be next to every edit link or just once on a page? Will it replace the edit link or be an addition to it? I'm worried the standard 16x16 is too small for it's purpose, will people even notice it? I like a great big button that says EDIT and is the most noticeable thing on a page.
- Vinh Nguyen NotYet While I like the direction this is heading, I think we need more clarification on the goals of creating a Universal Wiki Edit Button. In short: What does it signify? Who will use it? and Why do we need it?
- TakKendrick NotYet I love the idea. But agree with TedErnst the icons are hard to discern. The problem is what is the icon suppose to say? Should it be a "easy edit" like a pencil? Or does it even matter if the image is readily recognizable. At some point, the RSS icon symbolizes sound/radio waves or something, but it doesn't matter because we've acclimated ourselves to recognize what it means without actually "seeing" what the image is composed of. Mmmmmm... I love/hate branding.
- MarkDilley NotYet a good start
- Ray King NotYet Are we thinking that this symbol will appear next to any "edit" button? i.e. section edits, etc. I'm trying to get a picture of what this would look like alongside the "edit" links. In comparison, we could build the word "edit" and the equivalent in other languages directly into the symbol.
- Brandon CS Sanders YES Works for me
- Nathan YES Fantastic.
- Drew YES I'm intrigued by the concept