===[[WikiWiki|Wiki]] Pages [[FeatureMeNominated|Nominated]] to be [[Featured]]===
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This page is for the community to discuss potential [[featured]] wiki pages. Pages can be pretty much anything in the [[AboutUs]] universe -- articles about domains, people, portals, help topics. For more information on how to [[FeatureMeNominated|Nominated]] a page to be [[featured]], see [[FeatureMeNominated]].
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Notes from the community should be constructive with the ultimate goal of not necessarily creating a site that is going to be [[Featured]], but the goal of creating a dynamite page with great value to the community.
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=Nominated Pages=
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''NOTE: Since these discussion are included on the actual wiki pages that have been nominated, they are placed here as [[Transcluded|transcluded]] template. Just click the "Edit/Add to this Discussion" link.''
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==New Candidates==
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These are [[WikiPages]] that have recently been [[FeatureMeNominated|nominated]]. Some of them might even still be needing initial comments. Please feel free to take a look and provide insight for improvements.
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{{:Airborne-Sys.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:AllegraPress.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:Bluelarix.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:ChaosCafeAndParlor.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:CiteHealth.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:DisneyMovieClub.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:DomainsAtRetail.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:Fat-Family.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:MichaelPaigeWorld.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:Musik1.net/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:Polr.co.uk/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:PoolhallReport.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:RumblingLankan.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:SiteHoppin.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:Snaptease.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:SouqElArab.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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{{:unexplained.webng.com/FeatureDiscussion}}
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==Under Discussion==
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[[WikiPages]] that have been [[FeatureMeNominated|nominated]], with comments made which are awaiting action. Generally, these need a little bit more work before they can be considered [[FeatureMePotentials#Strong Candidates|Strong Candidates]].
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=== A-E ===
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Watching this group:
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* [[User:KristinaWeis|KristinaWeis]] 11:33, 9 October 2007 (PDT)
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* [[User:Saad Saeed|SaadSaeed]] 20:20, 7 February 2008 (PST)
These are [[WikiPages]] [[FeatureMeNominated|nominated]] some months ago, that are about to be taken out of consideration for [[featured|featuring]] due to lack of comments or improvements to the page. Please see the individual comments and make more. [[WikiPages]] on this list which have improvements made will be moved back into the "Still Under Discussion" section. Pages that have been sitting on the potentials list for a couple of months and haven't had any work done on them. Ideally, pages on this list have had their author(s) contacted (if contact info is available). We'll cull this list down every couple of weeks.
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Due to space considerations, these pages now live on [[FeatureMeNominated:LastChance]].
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=Process =
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This list is generated by [[:Category:AboutUsStaff|AboutUs Staff]] and [[CommunityMembers]] after pages have been [[FeatureMeNominated|nominated]] by the community. The [[FeatureMeProcess]] page has instructions on how to add [[FeatureMeNominated|nominated]] pages to this list.
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=Discussion=
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''Please comment on how this mechanism for promoting [[featured]] pages is working. Feel free to add any suggestions on how to improve the process.''
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===Using "Add This Here" to nominate a page for featuring===
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[[Add This Here]]
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: I have created a Demo for how we can use it for Feature Me Process. If you click the '''Nominate your page to be featured''' link below, and add a page name, it will automatically add that page to the list. Although it will not solve all the problems, indeed it's only one step forward, but I think it's something to celebrate. Maybe we add this link somewhere on the main page, and on the [[Portal:AboutUsFeatureMe]] and wherever else we think it makes sense. We still need to understand, however, how best we can use this tool for this process.
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:<AddThisHere portal="NominatedPages" template="NominatedPage" category="FeatureMeNew"> Nominate Your Page to be Featured</AddThisHere>
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:[[Asad Butt|Asad]] | [[User_talk:Asad_Mahmood_Butt|<small>*~talk~*</small>]] 06:18, 7 February 2008 (PST)
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:: Asad, could you take this one step further and write-up how this could be used instead of the current process? And then if we think it's ready to go, we can replace the current process documentation? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small> 09:27, 12 February 2008 (PST)
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===Inviting Participation in the FeatureMe process===
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Problem is, from where I can see, the community (I don't mean the staff, of course) doesn't seem to be much engaged in participate; we have a discussion going on here and no one else (AboutUs users like me, I mean) bothered to leave a comment, at least. So, I don't feel very confortable to point a page or my entire list, since I have no one else to back me up. If I did, I think I could spend 10-20 minutes per day to have a look on several pages and make my list (by placing comments on their respective feature discussion). [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 14:41, 11 February 2008 (PST)
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:''Cle, I see your point. This is to be expected since we just started to figure out how to do this as a community. First off how do we get the community interested or even seeing this conversation! Let's brainstorm some ideas about how to get that kick started. Sound good? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
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::I think that it should be made clear to everyone that they are being invited to participate. The way it is now, it looks like "''Ok, you may pass, but beware the dog!!''". Ok, maybe I am exaggerating a bit, but my point is: people have to feel confident to place their comments. Things like "''Edit/Add to this discussion''" could be more appealing if it were "'''You are welcome to''' ''edit/Add to this discussion''".
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::Also, we need to '''advertise''' the FeatureMe area. Let me give a practical example: we need to have more links pointing to the FeatureMePotentials page. For example, the "logged in" page: this one have a big blank area and, in my opinion, this should be used for more links pointing to other interesting areas on AboutUs.
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::When we log in, we can see a text saying "''You are now logged in. You can return to (Page-You-Were-Browsing-Before)''" or something like that, I can't remember exactly the text. So, what if we have an additional text and link, saying: "''Or else, go to the [[FeatureMePotentials]] and give your opinion on the next pages to be featured.''", or any other text, just to bring more people here. [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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::: Cle, I like your idea of changing "''Edit/Add to this discussion''" to "''You are welcome to edit/Add to this discussion''". I've already made this change in the [[FeatureMeProcess#Creating_the_FeatureDiscussion_page|process]] for all pages that will be nominated in the future; I've also changed some pages already on the list, would you be interested in helping out with the rest? I like the second idea too, but I'm not very clear about its logistics. [[User:Obed Suhail|Obed Suhail]] 04:10, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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'''Previous Process'''
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: One staff member managed this whole process and knew which pages were ready for featuring. When he decided to feature something, he did it. Easy peasy. :-)
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'''Current Process'''
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: Many people are involved in leaving comment for nominees. The staff have a private list of which pages are ready for featuring. We don't have to agree. If anyone thinks a page is ready, she puts it on the list (at the bottom). If someone else agrees, he puts his name next to the nomination as well, and moves it up the list. The more names, the higher it rises on the list. The entry at the top is the next one to be featured. In practice, we never have had more than two names on any one page, and never had more than 5 ready at a time.
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'''Future Process'''
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: I could see us moving two directions. I'd love comments on either as well as other options.
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1. We take the current staff "ready" list and make it public, inviting anyone to participate in the same way we're doing it now. Add your name to all that you think are ready. The list is ordered by most names to least, and we feature from the top.
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: Comments:
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::''That looks like the poll I was suggesting before. Anyway, I think that if we are going to have one more list on this page, this should be splitted in more pages, otherwise it may get more and more complicated and unattractive. If not splitted, there should be a "plus sign" or a "show/hide" link beside the section title ( Example: '''New candidates''' ([[show]]|[[hide]]) ). This way, users can hide what they don't want to see. The point is: people are not interested in long pages, they just give up after a few lines read. Sounds like I am speaking by myself, but it's not that.'' [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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2. We make a radical change, from this model of an individual editor building a page and the rest of us in the peanut gallery throwing suggestions, to a more community, [[barnraising]] model. The way I'm envisioning it, as a community, we choose a page or two (or whatever number we can do at any one time, with the number of people we have participating) that we're working on together, that we're [[barnraising]]. When someone new comes, they are welcome to nominate themselves to be the beneficiary of a future barnraising, and then they get to work barnraising the pages we're currently working on. That's how the community gets to know new people, and the ones that are known, will be barnraised, while those that are unknown, that don't participate helping others, will not be barnraised.
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::''Well, this is what is expected, but we know we can't count on this. How many people had their pages nominated and came back to give a little help? I have one idea that may be seen as if I were trying to force participation, but think of something on the "Featured Discussion" section, like "{{color|blue|''While your nomination is being processed, please take some time to review one of our New Candidates''}}" with a link pointing to this page? Of course, this should be shown only on the candidate page, not on this one.'' [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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===Separate page for FeatureMeNotReady idea===
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Also, I think that this page should have only the pages that are REALLY ready-to-go, so the bot could work on this list. Other pages should be put in a [[FeatureMeNotReady]] list or something like that.
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: I think we could do something like that<s>, maybe just by using sub-sections on this page</s>. In fact, I think that's a great idea. Let's do that as soon as we figure out what to do <s>about the selction process above</s>. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small>
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I thought of that [[FeatureMeNotReady]] list because in my opinion this page has been growing very large. Soon it may take very long time to load, even being mostly text. I saved this page on my computer just to check the file size, and the HTML file has, while I am writing this, 244 KB. Let's say my text text is 44 KB (I know I write too much), we still have 200 KB to load. Doesn't seem much, but we have to consider people struggling in dial-up connections, people with not so powerful broadband, and if the file size keeps growing, it may be even unreadable and confusing because of the so many items... So I think it should be splitted in at least 2 pages, leaving on this one the nominations that are still on the game. [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 03:08, 7 February 2008 (PST)
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: I'm in full support of this, and will work to make it happen. One part that is not so clear is to question of how we decide which pages are on which list. Do you have ideas about that? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small>
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No ideas. I'm afraid to suggest something that may be misunderstood. Anyway, what if once in 2 weeks, pages that are on the "New candidates" list were moved to the "Under discussion" list, and then pages that are "Under discussion" were transfered to the other page? [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 08:49, 7 February 2008 (PST)
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: I took the first step on this and created [[FeatureMeNominated:LastChance]]. What does the size look like now? In order to page back this page further, we need to understand what "ready" means and who decides. More thoughts? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small>
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That's an improvement, I liked it, that's the spirit ;)
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But, what "ready" means and who decides, '''I just don't know'''. And frankly, this is something I wouldn't like to dive into. Anyway, I can picture the kind of page that in my opinion is not ready, not even to be listed on the "New Candidates" list:
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* not much information;
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* too much text (''blah-blah-blah''), and not much information;
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* no images at all;
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* clearly intending to take advantage of the ''free advertisement'' provided by AboutUs, by announcing products and putting prices, as if AboutUs were a ''free ads newspaper'';
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* Too much external links;
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* Not following the AboutUs wiki design standards (no wiki formatting, too much visual styles, etc...)
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and the list goes on... [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 02:55, 8 February 2008 (PST)
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:''Well, unless we have a clear idea who decides, and how, it's not going to happen, clearly. Plus, the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure who benefits. I think an easier task would be to move pages from the existing alphabetical lists to '''Last Chance''' quicker. That would get them off this page. Pages where work is going on would not have this happen, so what's left would be a cleaner, higher-quality list. What do you think?'' [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small> 10:18, 8 February 2008 (PST)
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Yes, that's a good option. I didn't mention that because I thought that was the way things worked: from ''New candidates'' to ''Under discussion'' (alpha list), then to ''Last chance''. So in the end, no need for big changes. I had some more ideas, but I think they would conflict too much with the current process, so I consider finished my participation on this topic. Thank you for listening! [[User:Clesilva|Cle Silva]] 14:27, 11 February 2008 (PST)
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: In my opinion, we don't need to worry too much about the current process. If there's a better process and a way to take steps in that direction, we can do it. It's a wiki, so nothing's carved in stone, and we don't need to keep doing things one way just because that's the way we've done them before. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] <small>([[User talk:TedErnst|talk]])</small> 15:12, 11 February 2008 (PST)
This page is an overview of the community part of the feature process. Featuredwiki pages can be pretty much anything in the AboutUs universe -- articles about domains, people, portals, help topics. For the step just prior to this one, please see FeatureMeNominating.
Notes from the community should be constructive with the ultimate goal of creating a dynamite page with great value to the community (ideal features meet that goal; they aren't just written to be featured).
The following pages have been recently nominated to be featured. Please leave comments/suggestions on these pages, they eagerly await your valuable feedback for improvement!
List of Recently Nominated pages, newest at the top
This is a list of pages that at least one community member says are ready for featuring. The more people say it's ready, the more likely it is to actually be featured. It's a kind of a never-ending election where winners are simply removed from time to time and the rest keep going.
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These are WikiPagesnominated some time ago, that are about to be taken out of consideration for featuring due to lack of improvements to the page. Please see the individual comments and make more. Template:clearleft
These are WikiPages that have been nominated, with comments made which are awaiting action. Generally, they need a little bit more work before they can be considered ready for featuring.
Who is nurturing these pages?
We encourage contributions on these discussions from anyone, without need to make a big time commitment. And, in order to make all nominees are cared for, the following people have agreed to put groups of pages (and discussions) on their watchlists. Feel add yourself to any of the groups below if you are interested in helping with the process.
The idea with the nomination system is to generate discussion about a specific wiki page and to provide pointers to help editors polish their pages with the hopes of becoming a Featured article. Community members review these discussions and pages by looking at the FeatureMePotentials list which is all the candidates currently nominated.
While this presents a quick and easy method for people who might be new to the AboutUs system or new to wiki editing, it does require a bit of behind-the-scenes editing to then build the FeatureMePotentials list after WikiPages have been nominated.
