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=== 2007/01/08 ===
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=== 2010/09/16 ===
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<b>Here we go again</b>
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A concerned parent who has been trying to engage with those responsible for the moderation of the website posted the following appeal to the users of help.com yesterday (edited and linked to sections of the FAQ / user policy for brevity). The request addressed to the users was immediately deleted and the vast majority of users of the site never had a chance to even read the document. The identity of the author is known, but in order to protect the author from harm, personal details will not be posted here. Other reliable sources have indicated that the witch hunt being undertaken against this concerned parent is not necessarily simply due to the attacking moderator, but is perhaps being directed from the moderator's superiors. It is unclear whether this is in fact the case and it is also unknown whether these superiors are staff or employee's of the help.com team at CNET, CBS or any subdivision of CBS (e.g. CBSi / CBS Interactive).
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=== 2008/01/02 ===
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My account has been repeatedly deleted by a help.com moderator.
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The aforementioned discussion thread (see http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2007.2F12.2F18 below) has been deleted. An archived transcript of the discussion is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html
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There are 2 relevant sections of the FAQ page to consider:
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A copy of this archived transcript is included here for informative purposes:
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What is bad behavior on Help.com? [http://help.com/faq#sect6 FAQ Section #6]
Note that the FAQ clearly states that the “Help.com staff has the final word on what is and is not bad behavior” and that “moderators are not CNET Networks employees and do not necessarily represent our views”.
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follow text is copied from the shout-trail exchange between KT1 and
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myself. I would like to bring this out into the open for discussion.
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<b><i> </i></b><p><b><i>I am eager to hear feedback from the help.com community!</i></b></p>
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<b><i> </i></b><p><b><i>Thanks for helping to clear the air!</i></b></p>
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<b> </b><p><b>:) nmw</b></p>
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In other words, the buck doesn’t stop at a moderator.
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KT1<br>Please stop spamming posts with URLs to fill in the contact form
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Documentation that the moderator in question has not only deleted my account for no reason, but the moderator has even violated the “bad behavior” rules themselves has been stored on external data storage and has also been printed out on paper — therefore, whether or not it is deleted from help.com servers is insignificant. The documents clearly show that the moderator is immature, untrained and as inciting youth to subscribe to immoral behavior and/or questionable points of view.
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xbox<br>I don't understand - when people ask for help, links are often provided to sites that might be helpful.</p>
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KT1<br>The sites you were linking are empty, thus not helpful, and we are getting complaints.
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There is little question that this moderator has no leg to stand on. I am not only concerned on my own account, but also on account of my own children and also on account of innumerable children and adults who use help.com worldwide. I even sympathize with the staff of help.com and the management and owners of the site, even though they seem to presently remain aloof. I expect that if such wanton behavior persists, that sooner or later help.com will have to deal with lawsuits concerning their negligence to appropriately moderate a website where teenagers commonly seek help. A volunteer moderator who displays such wanton, amoral and perhaps even immoral behavior as is supported by the documentation ought not to be overseeing teenagers who are asking questions about a wide variety of topics spanning from homework help to depression and suicide.
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xbox<br>who is complaining? why don't they start helping and stop complaining? Isn't "help" what this site is supposed to be about?
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KT1<br>Yes,this site is about help and if you have
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I would like to give the users a chance to get involved. Please post your questions and concerns in the reply to this post.
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informational or news sites to add to those topics in a contextual way,
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you are more than welcome to post tham. Posting undeveloped sites and
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advising users to contact you has the appearance of a scam.
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xbox<br>It seems to me that you have perhaps had bad
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experiences in the past that make you fearful of scammers. I do not
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<p>What could we do in order to abate your fears?
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KT1<br>Stop posting links to sites with no content and asking people to fill out the form to contact you.
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Thank you for your help!
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xbox<br>You seem to be avoiding my question:</p>
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<p>1. there is content on those sites - including an invitation to become engaged and help</p>
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<p>2. since the sites linked to are about helping WRT the topic in question, they are highly relevant</p>
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KT1<br>To answer your questions:</p>
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<p>1. I have gone to the sites and there is no content.<br>2. There is no content on the sites, thus they are not relevant.<br>3. Scammers and spammers are banned.
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New information concerning the poor condition of the community moderation at help.com is becoming available. The problems are apparently larger and more extensive than was initially understood. Some teenagers and youth who are suffering from depression, various addiction problems, etc. and turning to the site in seek of help are not getting the help they need. Allegedly, there are even some cases of suicide that have been linked to the site. We are reviewing the data available and will post an update in the coming days. The situation appears to be somewhat alarming. Please "stay tuned" for updates (in order to subscribe to updates, simply click the "watch this page" checkbox).
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=== 2009/11/23 ===
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xbox<br>we appear to have a difference of opinion WRT what qualifies as content.</p>
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<p>Could you describe the basis for your judgement whether content exists or not?</p>
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<p>Could you describe what you mean when you say
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gave above there obviously <i>is</i> content at the sites I have linked to; but still you maintain that there is "no content" - could you explain this?)
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The poor management issues at the website have gotten worse. More updates about the questionable moderation practices are available @ http://fail.blog.com/2009/11/23/another-epic-fail-in-poor-website-management-site-moderation + http://fail.blog.com/2009/09/23/cbs-viacom-website-moderator-i%e2%80%99m-not-going-to-close-this-post-if-you-feel-insulted-leave
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=== 2008/01/24 ===
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KT1<br>We will have to agree to disagree.
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xbox<br>and could you also explain how your statement that "scammers and spammers are banned" is related to the present situation?
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KT1<br>You asked what was done to scammers and spammers and I answered.
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xbox<br>OK, so I guess that it really isn't relevant to the present situation after all.</p>
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Newest Update: Apparently, "arguing" is now also a reason for closing posts. (see http://help.com/post/127082-my-name-is-jason-and-i-am-100-sold#reply-3391401 and/or http://help.com/post/127444-helpcoms-policy-on-religion )
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<p>If that's what you mean by "agree to disagree", then OK - I can accept that you do not wish to talk about it.
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KT1<br>As an example, this link you posted has content of a helpful nature, <a href="http://works.in/com/work/earning-money-online--create-part-time-work-at-home-jobs-to-find-a-job-marketing-your-own-skills.html"></a><a href="http://works.in/com/work/earning-mone%E2%80%A6">http://works.in/com/work/earning-mone...</a>, and this link you posted, <a href="http://law.firm.in/"></a><a href="http://law.firm.in/">http://law.firm.in/</a>, does not. The first is allowed, the second is not.
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=== 2008/01/10 ===
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As noted below ( http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2008.2F01.2F02 ), the discussion in mid-December (which had been closed by the site admins), has apparently been deleted. An archived copy is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html . I have tried to post the text here, but the discussion is quite long and it is difficult to include it here (because help.com uses rather intricate formatting code).
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xbox<br>The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful
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question "<b>Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?</b>". I feel it was <i>highly relevant</i> and <i>helpful</i> - I am sorry that you have now deleted the comment because now others will not be able to decide whether it is helpful <i>to them</i> or not.</p>
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<p>Why do you feel it is your responsibility to decide whether something is helpful or not? Is it not true that what might <i>not</i> be helpful to you may <i>indeed</i> be very helpful to someone else? Is this site about <i>you</i> consider to be helpful, or what the <i>users of the site</i> consider to be helpful? I would think it should be the latter. What do <i>you</i> think?
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Now a new discussion has been started which is related to the censorship issue (primarily focusing on "moderation" (even though that is combined with the issue of "subscription", the primary focus [IMHO] is on moderation).
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To see the updated version (including all further edits), please visit http://help.com/post/123552-helpcom (note, however, that this text copy includes some comments which have in the meantime been deleted -- again: due to "moderation" [aka "censorship"]):
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KT1<br>The owners of this site reserve that right.
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xbox<br>what right?
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KT1<br>Just curious, can you post a screenshot of what you see when you click the second link to my shoutbox?
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xbox<br>why? can't you post screenshots?
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<b>Here we go again</b>
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xbox<br>and I'm also still curious what "right" you are talking about (and why?)
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KT1<br>I am trying to answer your questions but if you are
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xbox<br>well I know what I see too - and I assume (since we're
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<p>I <i>am</i> <b>concerned</b>about the fact that
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you seem to place very little trust in the users of the site. Is this
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KT1<br>Please do not make post "subject" lines in all caps.
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xbox<br>LOL, ok - I wanted to do that as a way to put the topic to discussion.</p>
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KT1<br>As a tpoic it is fine. We don't like it for subject lines because the site would be a bit annoying to read.
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xbox<br>I totally agree!
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KT1<br>Post one more link to a site with no content - only a domain parking spot or list of links - and you will be banned.
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KT1<br>I banned you because you persisted in posted your sites
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xbox<br>I don't exactly understand what you mean - is linking
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<p>x, I think you are a great person but when you get a bee in your bonnet you don't let it rest.<br>
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voice heard quite loudly actually. The admin then advised that the user
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was only temp banned but in his defense he held the confidence of the
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<p>With example #1, I find it difficult to assess which of the content might pass as "<i>sponsored</i>", versus which portions are deemed to be "<i>not sponsored</i>".</p>
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There is a great amount of community participation on the help.com website, but unfortunately the help.com site is run be people who seem to be quite intolerant and do not allow free speech.
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There is a great amount of community participation on the help.com website, but unfortunately the help.com site is run be people who seem to be quite intolerant and do not allow free speech.
The help.com website crashes quite often and the help.com site management seems to be understaffed.
The help.com website crashes quite often and the help.com site management seems to be understaffed.
The help.com website is supposed to be about giving & receiving (in other words: exchanging) help.
It seems to be 100% supported by sponsored links which are placed automatically and targeted to match the keywords contained in the problem solving discussion / comments written by the participants.
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2010/09/16
A concerned parent who has been trying to engage with those responsible for the moderation of the website posted the following appeal to the users of help.com yesterday (edited and linked to sections of the FAQ / user policy for brevity). The request addressed to the users was immediately deleted and the vast majority of users of the site never had a chance to even read the document. The identity of the author is known, but in order to protect the author from harm, personal details will not be posted here. Other reliable sources have indicated that the witch hunt being undertaken against this concerned parent is not necessarily simply due to the attacking moderator, but is perhaps being directed from the moderator's superiors. It is unclear whether this is in fact the case and it is also unknown whether these superiors are staff or employee's of the help.com team at CNET, CBS or any subdivision of CBS (e.g. CBSi / CBS Interactive).
If help.com users care about the future of help.com, then they should read this
My account has been repeatedly deleted by a help.com moderator.
There are 2 relevant sections of the FAQ page to consider:
Note that the FAQ clearly states that the “Help.com staff has the final word on what is and is not bad behavior” and that “moderators are not CNET Networks employees and do not necessarily represent our views”.
In other words, the buck doesn’t stop at a moderator.
Documentation that the moderator in question has not only deleted my account for no reason, but the moderator has even violated the “bad behavior” rules themselves has been stored on external data storage and has also been printed out on paper — therefore, whether or not it is deleted from help.com servers is insignificant. The documents clearly show that the moderator is immature, untrained and as inciting youth to subscribe to immoral behavior and/or questionable points of view.
There is little question that this moderator has no leg to stand on. I am not only concerned on my own account, but also on account of my own children and also on account of innumerable children and adults who use help.com worldwide. I even sympathize with the staff of help.com and the management and owners of the site, even though they seem to presently remain aloof. I expect that if such wanton behavior persists, that sooner or later help.com will have to deal with lawsuits concerning their negligence to appropriately moderate a website where teenagers commonly seek help. A volunteer moderator who displays such wanton, amoral and perhaps even immoral behavior as is supported by the documentation ought not to be overseeing teenagers who are asking questions about a wide variety of topics spanning from homework help to depression and suicide.
I would like to give the users a chance to get involved. Please post your questions and concerns in the reply to this post.
Thank you for your help!
2010/09/15
New information concerning the poor condition of the community moderation at help.com is becoming available. The problems are apparently larger and more extensive than was initially understood. Some teenagers and youth who are suffering from depression, various addiction problems, etc. and turning to the site in seek of help are not getting the help they need. Allegedly, there are even some cases of suicide that have been linked to the site. We are reviewing the data available and will post an update in the coming days. The situation appears to be somewhat alarming. Please "stay tuned" for updates (in order to subscribe to updates, simply click the "watch this page" checkbox).
As noted below ( http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2008.2F01.2F02 ), the discussion in mid-December (which had been closed by the site admins), has apparently been deleted. An archived copy is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html . I have tried to post the text here, but the discussion is quite long and it is difficult to include it here (because help.com uses rather intricate formatting code).
Now a new discussion has been started which is related to the censorship issue (primarily focusing on "moderation" (even though that is combined with the issue of "subscription", the primary focus [IMHO] is on moderation).
To see the updated version (including all further edits), please visit http://help.com/post/123552-helpcom (note, however, that this text copy includes some comments which have in the meantime been deleted -- again: due to "moderation" [aka "censorship"]):
There is a great amount of community participation on the help.com website, but unfortunately the help.com site is run be people who seem to be quite intolerant and do not allow free speech.
The help.com website crashes quite often and the help.com site management seems to be understaffed.
All in all, the help.com site (and in particular the help.com website) would have enormous potential, if only the help.com site were run by more competent people.
