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| − | This duplication from the project page is going to drive me batty. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
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| − | : Seriously, this is really bothering me. We have a tasks list on the project page, and we have similar (but different) list here. I don't get it! How to resolve? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
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| − | I think the aim of these pages (as far as I understand but I may be wrong so please feel free to correct me) is to have only the tasks that will be completed over a period of two weeks. The tasks on the project pages are more long term so a small, manageable two week chunk has been taken out of them and hence the task page. If this is not happening then we are not defining the two week chunks of work clearly or specifically enough. There shouldn't really be duplication because even the why we are doing this section should have details about why we are doing the specific tasks identified for the two week period not the whole project. Is what I have written too confusing? Do you think it could be explained better? [[User:Tanwir Shah|Tanwir Shah]]
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| − | : Not confusing at all, Tanwir. I agree with what you write here. And, there is duplication. Why? Because the project page is alive, and thus changing all the time, and without transclusion, there's no way to keep it syncronized with this page, nor to even see that this page is here. This page isn't linked from the project page. What if we had two sections for tasks on the project page? One that's for this two weeks (staff) and is transcluded in, and the other for indefinite timeframe (everyone)? It's confusing either way. I don't really know how to solve. I assume this is a problem for all task/project pages. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
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| − | :: How about if the Project Pages simply referred to the related Task pages? Example -- Project "HelpPages" might have Tasks "Make new Intro Video for home page" and "Re-write Transparency Article", etc. So on the project page, the overall idea is described and then on the task pages are specific work chunks that we can get done in a given 2 week period. - [[User:Ray King|Ray]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small>
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| − | ::: That might work, Ray, except that without tranclusion, it makes it hard to see what work I can be doing "right now" if there are multiple tasks at play. Maybe there won't be, but this list of actions I can take for WhoWeAre is duplicating the list (but not exactly, and not inclusively) on the [[Projects:WhoWeAre]] page, so I have to look in two places, and active members are likely not going to do that. I really want a single list of all actions that are actionable now. I'm fine with future actions being hidden somehow (those actions which cannot happen until one or more present actions are taken). Is there a project you feel is currently written well, with tasks broken down in the way you're hoping this goes, so I can see an example? [[Ted Ernst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small>
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| − | :::: There is also the [[OurWork]] page with its list of prioritized projects, which I quite liked because it was easy to see what had been decided and prioritized for the next two weeks. At the end of the day someone has to make a decision on priorities. They cannot be continuously changed. So who decides? Won't cross global discussions be a little difficult? The OurWork page will become another of many pages with information on it for people to consult or is the idea that that this page too will disappear. It's a pity really because Scott did spend a lot of time on it and it seemed to be working, for me at least, I cannot speak for anyone else. [[User:Tanwir Shah|Tanwir Shah]]
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| − | ::::: I think a fundamental issue for us is that today's wiki technology doesn't easily allow for "two sorts". The [[OurWork]] page does a nice job showing the work by person (credit to [[Scott]] for the work he did there). The [[DistributedPlanningGame]] page does a nice job showing the work by task. We tried to make a page that shows the work as a grid where the X axis shows tasks and the Y axis shows people, but the only way we got that to work was in [[Microsoft.com|Excel]], which doesn't easily span space and time (as a wiki does). So we have to either decide to show the work by task or by person, or maintain multiple summary pages, or modify the technology to somehow do both. Thoughts? - [[User:Ray King|Ray]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small>
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| − | ::::: On priorities, the idea is for everyone in the community to have the opportunity to participate in prioritization of [[tasks]]. They can change during planning phase, but once we've agree on what the priorities are for the next period, we should hold them relatively still. We could have just a few people deciding priorities, but that would move us significantly towards a top down structure. Thoughts? - [[User:Ray King|Ray]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small>
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| − | ::::: Feels to me like this discussion belongs in the [[ConsensusPoll:Distributed Planning Game]]? - [[User:Ray King|Ray]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small>
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