Thoughts On AdultContent Interviews
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Values wrt Illegal Content
- not contribute to exploitation of children
- AvoidRisk (getting shut down)
- Keep a good reputation that we're on "the right side"
- repulsing good people is bad
- appealing to pedophiles is bad
Values wrt Legal Content
- Is the inclusiveness worth preserving what adult content enthusiasts are going to contribute?
- I don't see adult content website owners engaging their clients here. So many just remove contact information.
- I don't see folks who are here for porn using RealNames ... domain owners and enthusiasts alike
- It will take work to be good at porn
- Comprehensive ... if we're chopping pieces out, we aren't comprehensive
- How do you decide what is and what isn't allowed?
- Transparency ... not usually a value for porn enthusiasts ... don't want people to know who owns what
- Free speech ... it's not my place to decide your morals for you
- I don't want to have to give the adult content category extra attention, the size of the category demands it
- We want to keep inappropriate adult content of of non-adult pages, so we filter. This makes the adult content pages harder to work on hen because we keep hitting the filter. Have to choose between no-filter on the non-adult pages, or pain on all the adult pages
- If we let adult content on, we'll end up policing ... either I have
- Porn owners and enthusiasts aren't benefit from us ... wiki is pollyanna for them
- Quantity would be high, quality would be low
- If we have adult content, we should do it well. But to do it well means we'd have to shift focus.
- Even if we succeed in engaging the adult content community, that changes the character of aboutus.
- Wikipedia has a reputation of cattiness and 18 year old boys ... what reputation do we want?
- What about the Portland category ... does porn get in?
- Be pragmatic, or put another way, choose what we're idealistic about
- Being inclusive we could run afoul of obscenity
- There is a tastefulness continuum and some things are clearly distasteful or obscene
- If we keep adult content, how many more meetings is it going to be to decide what goes in the walled garden?
- They are going to be islands ... and if they aren't/don't then that changes the whole tenor of the company
Values in Play
- Including all people
- Completeness
- Tastefulness
- Working environment
- Protecting minors
- Legality
- A site we can be proud of
Free Speech and Building
- Building something good or constructive
- Protecting minors
- Free speech ... There are things that are legal that people want to discuss and know about. AboutUs is a place where one can discuss and know about things. There should be avenues for people to discuss things. Encouraging free speech is a good thing.
- Not judging people
- Policy provides a way to encourage behaviors that are in the best interest of aboutus without requiring individual staff members to sit in judgement of others
- What do we define as a broken window? There has to be lines.
- We are policeman.
- "Spam is bad." is a moral judgement* Community not sit in judgement of others
- Comfortable with aboutus as a living breathing place
- We can love aboutus even if we aren't wild about certain policies
- Financial Solvency for the Website
- User Experience ... you should be able to see what you want to see and avoid what you don't want to see (start at moderate and get to see more or less as you choose) ... if you are under seventeen it should stay at moderate or below ... there are people who will want to see things ... (search, rc, pages edited, etc., should respect your threshold)
- Bootstrapping to community driving the train
- We design the train
- Policy is decided by users
- Content divisions are decided by users
- Legality ... well within the bounds of law (not skirting the boundaries)
Balanced Values
- Efficiency
- Less busy work ... work that is real
- Require fewer system resources
- Hardware
- Working process
- volunteers
- Fewer company resources
- Minimal policing
- Less work (fewer judgement calls to make,...), more productive
- Minimal policing
- Moral diversity
- MinimizeMoralJudgements of others
- Site Value
- Valuable Site Culture, more than just the people, includes activities, and the effects of users interacting with each other (culture of fear, community of fear) you can have a culture without community
- Valuable Site Content
- Profitability
- Broad appeal
- Safe environment, afraid a random clique will bring offensive material, unexpected offensive material, where a woman can be a real * Environment in which people feel welcome and comfortable
- Feeling free to build a community without pressure of the broad community
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- Staff culture, feel comfortable with the decisions that are made
- Balanced
- More resources available
Pragmatic Inclusiveness
- Pragmatism ... sometimes holding completely to a value isn't practical (e.g., spam content, and illegal sites)
- Constructive ... people don't log in
- Doesn't appear to be constructive
- Large portion, but not much constructive, anything I have seen hasn't been constructive
- I've seen a few times when people have changed the description to suit the site
- Filter, extra work
- Profanity isn't being constructive
- Difficult to decide what is acceptable for a description of adult sites
- Comprehensiveness ... we're non-secular, there is no reason to take a
- Is a site morally good or bad?
- Should we include a page about the site?
- Inclusive ... not take anyone off the site unless it's illegal ...
- Not judging sites, adult content that is legal
- Spam is not constructive, obviously there to harm us
- Keep websites that are primarily spammers and people should be able to review, we don't want to be spammers
- There is a clear line with legal and illegal
- Trying to figure out how people in the future will react, it's possible people will say they took the easy way, folks in the adult content industry being upset because we excluded them
- We should know what we are aiming for
- Right now we can shape the direction of the company, and site
- If we keep it we have the same issues ... what does that do for what we want to accomplish
- Positive environment
- Huge positive community of people in the adult content industry
- Edits on adult content sites are largely people taking their contact infomratino off or taking he whole site off
- Haven't seen adult enthusiasts doing much building
- Is it worth the work?
- Unless we leave it alone entirely we're going to have a lot of work ahead of us
- Efficiency
How we decide matters!!
- Wanted vs Unwanted
- Don't want kids stumbling across adult content
- Don't think that porn
- If folks want to organize adult content
- Squeaky wheel gets oiled
- Don't have strategic plans
- Not everyone has the values
- Grassroots
- Top-down
- Process of coming to agreements and disagreements is important
- Optout and logo are brutal and long already
- AboutUs may be built by 15-25 age group ... what do they want? Distinction between wanted and unwanted seems important.
- How we make the decision is most important to me rather than the outcome
Authenticating
- Badge a site
- Make a donation in your name
- openid, email address, potential here maybe
- Age verification
