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The user ArtSapience posted it on the artsapience.com page regarding the issue with the two members defacing our page.It is in the edit history of the artsapience.com page.
 
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Then what was the whole purpose of you asking me what the paragraph should state? If you have no inclination to actually post what you aked me to be posted on our page? We as the domain owners and authors have the right to what is said about our domain.Not others.The orginal spider crawling of our websites meta data will also suffice if you belive that "others" need to "discuss it".Revert it back to the AboutUs Bots orginal spider crawling in that case

Revision as of 18:28, 19 August 2007

Hello Asad Mahmood Butt and welcome to AboutUs!!!

Please feel warmly welcomed to jump right in and edit any page on the wiki ... after all "It's Your Wiki!" And don't worry ... other AboutUs community members can easily help you untangle any messes that you might accidentally create. We love to help new members of the community :-) After all, it wasn't so long ago when we were the ones bumbling around in a wiki for the first time :-)

Welcome

Great to see you this morning, please check out the help -- Ray King

That edit

As far as that edit, it looks like a mess. Something to study and try and figure out what is going on. Best, MarkDilley

AdultContent

Hi Asad, I personally think that AdultContent is different than IllegalContent - for that reason I like them to be seperated. I don't want to think of child porn as part of AdultContent because for me it solidly falls in the IllegalContent realm. Does that make sense? Best, MarkDilley

Hi Asad! :-) Thanks for the note and yes, you folks can start patrolling again. I am not sure if BrandonSanders has suggested this or not, but it might be good to look at the contributions of KristinaWeis, Isabel, ScottKeeler and Nathan - to see how they are making certain decisions about what to fix and not fix. I am not saying you should do it like them :-) Just check them out :-) Best, MarkDilley

Visit to Lahore

Hi Asad,

It was great to meet you as well. The hospitality in Lahore was fantastic. I'm looking forward to my next trip :-)

Regards,
Brandon CS Sanders

New Pic

I like it! - Ray | talk 11:58, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

Lasik Thoughts

Hi Asad,

I'm glad to see that you got some help with your questions about what to do next. Your work on the introductions of the doctors is excellent! You are definitely getting close to being ready to send out emails to all the lasik centers in LA.

Also, the email for Lasik providers contains the Lasik tables in wiki text.

When you have an actual email address, select the rendered html (rather than the raw wikitext) and then copy and paste that into a gmail message. It will preserve the formatting and the images. Sending a message via a form is going to be substantially trickier. You'll have to send a text only version of the email.

Warm Regards,
Brandon

Template:LASIK:GoBack

Nathan and I just created a new template to put a link on each doctor's page, back to the LASIK page for their city. Here's an example: Jacqueline D. Griffiths, M.D. I would recommend putting this on each doctor's page. Also, I used Template:TOCright. Do you like the way that looks, with the Table on Contents on the right? If so, feel free to change the other pages, or just use that for the new pages you're creating. peace, TedErnst 11:42, 15 May 2007 (PDT)

Portal Talk:LASIK

I made a new page for anyone working on the LASIK portal to be able to talk about new ideas and on-going work. It would be great if you could write there about the comments already there, and also about your ongoing LASIK portal work. TedErnst

"waiting for others" comment

Asad, I see you've copied your "waiting for others" section to the portal talk page. I don't have a preference where that list lives, but I do recommend that you keep it only in one place, not two. I find it's annoying to have to update the same list in two places, which is why I suggest this. If you actually want it to appear in two places, then I'd recommend tranclusion. Do you know how to do that? If not, ask and I'll show you. :-) TedErnst

I also think that it's better to have it on one page instead of two, but I am certainly interested in knowing something about tranclusion.

Seems like there should be a transclusion page. Maybe you want to hunt for it? Anyway, you know how we use templates? Like this: {{TEMPLATENAME}}? Well, that's transclusion. By default, double curly braces take whatever's on that page, in the Template namespace, and puts it on the other page. You don't have to use the Template namespace, however. You just have to put a : in front of the name, like this {{[[Template::MAINNAMESPACEPAGENAME|:MAINNAMESPACEPAGENAME]]}}. So maybe make a page called AsadWaiting and transclude it on your page, and once that works, transclude it on the portal talk page as well. Clear? TedErnst

where are you keeping responses?

When you get an email back, where are you keeping that info? Also, do the 4 of you have the work broken down by city? I'm just trying to get an idea of the scope of coordination that needs to be happening as each of you are emailing providers. Thanks! TedErnst

DomainPage and/or name of LASIK provider as page name

Asad, I notice you moved all your pages from their domain name names to be the names of the clinic or provider. At first I thought it made a lot of sense to do it that way, because the provider name is way more important than their domain name. Then Mark pointed out that we lose the link to that domain name from the page. See WeLinkYou for a visual of the link. Do you see what I mean? I see a couple of ways forward (I'm sure there are more):

  1. Move the pages back where they were, so that at least there are redirects from the clinic name to the domain name.
  2. Move the pages back and come up with a standard way to highlight the clinic name near the top of the page.
  3. Leave them as they are, with inconsistency and some disagreement about which way is "right."
  4. Start a consensus poll on the issue of naming.

What do you think? TedErnst

skype call

Asad, I would like to have a skype call with you for 15 minutes Thursday morning at 9am your time, okay? I'm scheduling the others for subsequent days. If this doesn't work, we can reschedule. Thanks! TedErnst

Removing thumbnails

Something a bit easier for you would be to just link to RemoveThumbnail when removing thumbnails per AdultContentPolicy. It should save you some typing. Nathan (talk) / 22:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

There is also RemoveCategory for the same type of reason. Nathan (talk) / 04:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

PageNameBestPractices

I love what you wrote! Could you put yourself down as a participant on that page with a YES or Not Yet, please? Thanks! TedErnst

consensus polls

I think maybe we ought to talk about how consensus polls work. A couple of notes:

  1. the status options are "yes" and "not yet". There is no "no"
  2. you can change you status as often as you need to, as the document evolves
  3. points 1 and 2 taken together mean that as soon as you know you're interested in an issue, which you clearly are in this case given your writing above, you should put your name on the poll with a status of Not Yet. The reason to start with Not Yet is that you haven't made up your mind yet on what's there, or what's there is confusing or incomplete or just plain wrong or whatever. It's only by putting your status as not yet and stating your concerns that the rest of us can listen to those concerns and try to address them, once they've been heard

Make sense? Should we schedule another skype? TedErnst

Walk the Wiki Way

Hi Asad,

Kristina recommends that we use this link TheWikiWay:WhatIsWiki to introduce people to about us when we welcome them. Tanwir Shah

re: LASIK:Letter TextOnlyVersion

Portland office phone seems fine. Are you putting your name or someone in Portland? This makes me wonder if it makes sense for the Lahore office to get a US Skype-In phone number. What do you think? That way you could set it up with a skype voicemail saying it's the AboutUs office, leave a message for Asad, Obed, Tanwir or Wasim and we'll call you back as soon as we can. Thoughts? TedErnst

Enjoy!

Virtual Barbershop :-) Obed Suhail

Election Portal

Do you think it would be good to include the dates and source with the news articles in the election portal? I think it might be helpful to quickly see when news articles need to be updated. I really like the "About this Website" that you added, but it is somewhat confusing to me since you can't see from the external link what external site is being referenced, maybe "About this news source" or something that is more clear...? What are you thoughts? KristinaWeis | **talk** 12:14, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Oh my, what you've done on JoeBiden.com looks great!
KristinaWeis | **talk** 13:45, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Rollback

Hi Asad, rollback only goes to the last IP or name. so your wish to rollto (as we call the future feature) doesn't work here [1]. Best, MarkDilley

LASIK response

Hi Asad, I see you received another response. That's great! What did it say? TedErnst

Community Reviews

Hi Asad, I was patrolling when I came across an edit of yours on AlanaRomanov.com. An anonymous user had left a comment "AIDS DISEASE GUARANTEED," criticizing the site and you moved it to community reviews and placed in the correct format. Creating the Community Reviews section was perfect, but we wouldn't really consider that a review. In the future, just delete a review that doesn't provide actual, helpful information. For example, if someone posts a review that says, "SPAMMER! SPAMMER! SPAMMER!" that is not helpful information and should be deleted. However, if someone posts a review like, "This site is a registered spammer" and then they go on with evidence like excerpted text and the spammer's ip, then we want to keep that review. Before keeping the review just ask yourself, "is this helpful?" and if the answer is no, then delete it. Have a good day. Blake Hinckley 13:48, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

Re: Community Reviews

Hi Asad, I take your point. We are in the business of encouraging community -- however, "AIDS DISEASE GUARANTEED" is not a review, it is merely defamation. I think there is a gray area that my earlier post does not acknowledge. If the review is "I have received spam from this website," then I think we want to encourage the user to include more information, but if the review is an anonymous IP posting gobbledygook in all caps, like in AIDs example, we should just delete it. As the Thoughts On Negative Reviews section states, "If a negative review is stated in a non-constructive manner, the best option often is deletion." Thanks for your time and I apologize if my above post did not fully address the issue. Have a great day! Blake Hinckley

Convergence

Hello Asad, could you move your conversation with Blake to NegativeReviews. I think this is a good opportunity to collaborate on taking another step towards clarity on this. Best, MarkDilley

style thing on links from doctor pages

Asad,

Just a style thing. Feel free to disagree with me and leave it the way you have it. The way I see it, the City portals are above the clinics and doctors in a hierarchy tree. The doctors and clinics are sibligs, as it were. So using the go back template to link back to the parent (city portal) from each child (doctor or clinic) makes sense to me. Having a section on the clinic pages to each doctor also makes sense to me, as does having a section on the doctor pages to the clinics. Now, I can also see how the clinic pages are somewhat like parents to the doctors, which is why you're linking at the top "back to Provider Foo". And, I don't think that link is needed, as long as the clinic is linked in the body of the page. Again, as I say, I'm only one person, so feel free to leave it. Or change it.  :-) You know my opinion now. TedErnst

edit summary

Hi Asad, I see you're using "NotRelatedDomains" quite often. How 'bout using NotRelatedDomains and having that link to RelatedDomains? TedErnst

or do it the easier way and make a redirect from the "not" page to the other, so you don't have to make such a complicated edit summary :-) TedErnst

Aisha-Haadi.com

Asad, please check that page. I don't know how to format CommunityReviews. Could you please take a look? Thanks! TedErnst

Removing categories

Hi Asad- Blake and I noticed that you've been taking out categories from adult content pages. Although we do want to remove these categories, we plan on doing this with a bot soon. Just a heads up so that you're not wasting time taking out stuff that will be done in one fell swoop soon. Isabel

Yes, the thumbnails and Related Domains will be removed...you can find all the info on the AdultContentPolicy page. Isabel

WelcomingPeople

Hey Asad! Great work and thanks for the help with WelcomingPeople. It's so nice to have you welcoming, with the time difference and all it makes it so that as a community we will be able to reach out to more people during more hours of the day. If you have any thoughts on welcoming feel free to add them to that page. Could I recommend that you keep the WikiAnatomyy tours in mind while welcoming - we're just finishing them up here in Portland and I think they're a pretty decent resource now. Cheers! KristinaWeis | **talk** 14:39, 12 July 2007 (PDT)

LASIK Dallas

I updated the Projects:LASIK page today to reflect that it is now in the hands of the AboutUs business office. Content/community won't work on it again (another city, I presume) until it gets prioritized in the planning game, and that doesn't seem to make sense until the calls for Dallas are on their way to completion. Let me know if I've got any of this wrong, from your point of view. peace, TedErnst

A chat about work

Hello Asad, I am wanting to talk to folks about coordinating work on a weekly basis, to try and make things go smoother. When could we talk? Best, MarkDilley

Projects:Lasik

Hey Asad,

Did you see Chris's edit on Dallas? All that's left is images into galleries. I did a bunch of them today. Possible for you and Asad to fix up the rest? peace, TedErnst

Contact regarding LASIK

Asad,

I figured it was about time to get directly in touch with one another instead of using our dear friend Ted as the official go between. As we move forward with LASIK, I feel this will make our communication more efficient and well rounded.

As far as next steps with the project, it seems advantageous to me to begin selecting the next cities to perfect and to begin with this process as soon as possible. For sales calls this will provide me with a longer list that I can continually attack on the phone instead of waiting and pursuing by installment as we perfect individual cities. We're meeting on Tuesday to attempt to discuss/prioritize this effort in the content and community planning game here, so I'd like to try to come up with the next 5 cities for us to work on. I'll be creating a section for this on the Projects:LASIK page, so I hope you and Obed can chime in with your suggestions on the next cities to work on. Personally, I'd like to throw Portland and Manhattan in the mix, but I am also fine with them being left aside for other cities if that is advantageous for us. Once we prioritize from my side of things, I figure you can have your own meeting as part of the Lahore section of the planning game to determine next steps for each city.

Looking forward to your continued correspondance and responce,

ChrisBabson

P.S. The FunHouse is looking awesome! Great work! I just watched the evolution of dance video. Thanks for adding some creative elements to the site - we need it!

Thanks...

... Asad - hope you are soon ...happy!!! Best wishes, steve.

hi asad this is sarah.can you please tell me the way to create a page as you have created.the page like leave me a message with your picture on it and please do tell me that can i enter anything any where and if i want to write a poem or an article will i click the create option or edit option.thanku. plus a brief overview about the things going on in portal.i am a bit confused still.i added a quotation in welcome portals and had a message from isabel that she needed a quote from WARD if i am not wrong.whats this all about.please help me out.thanx again.

We don't need a quote from Ward- I just reverted her edit here where she added a quote below Ward's because it didn't make sense: http://www.aboutus.org/index.php?title=Portal:AboutUsWelcome/Quotes&diff=prev&oldid=8376293 Isabel

OurWork

Hi Asad,

We've updated OurWork to reflect the changes on the planning game. Can you update the projects you're working on over the next two weeks? The full list of prioritized projects is up on OurWork. - Scott Keeler Comment_green.gif

Brad.net.nz

Brad.net.nz Hi Asad, Just wondering why you moved the logo on this page so that it sits below the domain thumbnail as it wont fit there and makes the page look bad. I deliberately put it at the top. Is there and AboutUs rule that says that the domain thumbnail must be totally at the top??? If there is I will cut down the logo so it fits better as it's mt son's site so I can do whatever I want to with the logo etc. --User:Di | talk 18:19, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

  • I have sized the logo so it now fits at the left of the domain thumbnail. I didn't need to resize the image just used sizing in the code for the pic on the page so it looks he same as other pages now and all's well. --User:Di | talk 18:31, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

thank you for moving my page to viewtech.tv, i appreciate your time.

Mike

hi ASAD.this is sarah.ted ernest asked me to come on IRC.what is IRC?

ok GOT that.no need to tell now.just tell me how can i use it?

btw Ted ernest have asked all the people in the office to come oN IRC.

Hi Asad, The AboutUsLogo ConsensusPoll has surpassed all it's GoThresholds and we will be turning on the DoneTimer as soon as all participants have been notified. This means that all participants now have the opportunity to check AboutUsLogo one more time, to make sure we haven't overlooked something. Please feel free to change the document and/or change your status, if need be. Best, Obed Suhail

Editing titles

Hello Asad,

How can I change the titles (i.e. from 3Commedia.com to 3comMedia.com) or even without the .com and still have the title link to the respective URS?

The question also applies to CommunityVenturesGroup.com (should read Community Ventures Group and still link to the URL)

Thanks,

Maki

User talk:David L. Simpson III

I noticed your welcome message to this user, but I noticed through patrolling Special:RecentChanges the content of his PersonalPage and it might have been nice to have addressed his edit in your message to him...? KristinaWeis

Hello Asad

Thank you for the warm welcome :0)

I do have a question about the thumbnail on my page, I clicked a link underneath it the other day to update the thumbnail-as I have recently updated my website. Now the thumbnail is all weird, and not showing how the page truly looks. Can I or you fix this?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Peace, Cherri Founder of My Child Loss Grief.org

==Hello Asad==

Hello asad how are u

Thanks I did go overboard

Sorry for the spam I kinda got caried away good to see it being monitored.--Supplements 09:09, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

different ideas for who we are

Aaad,

No problem having lots of ideas. Could you please do me a favor and make each idea (or just pick one to work on to start with) have it's own section, with a very clear, short summary of what's being proposed. I'm not yet understanding what's being proposed. Thank you. TedErnst

The reason I'm pushing this is that I don't see the "discussion" heading in a direction of "proposals." I'd really like us to get really clear about the task before us. I would love for some of that discussion to turn into more ideas we can act on. I'd also love to hear more from you and others about concerns about the 3 stage idea I've put up. Is it clear what is proposed? If not and you can make it more clear, please do so. If it is clear, please express your concerns on the page, about that specific proposal. Thank you! TedErnst
Asad, GoThresholds for an active poll are not negotiable. That means that in stage 1, the GoThresholds are fixed when we start. In stage 1, the GoThresholds from stage 2 can be modified. In my idea, the final document from stage 1 includes the framework for stages 2 & 3, including GoThresholds. It's obviously not clear to you the way I've formatted it, but that's what the levels of indent, and the black line, are supposed to convey. Could you please say more about your current concerns? TedErnst

Yay...

to WelcomingPeople over the weekend! Go you! KristinaWeis

Advertising

Yes, I agree. I think it would be hard to argue that a Russian dating service is strongly related to USAToday.com, but the dating sites make some sense although I am still imagining with several edits per minute that it may just be strategic attempts at SEO (his e-mail address has SEO in the name). If you want you can e-mail him via the "E-mail this user" feature, and he should respond. Let me know what you think or end up doing. KristinaWeis

talk?

Hi Asad,

I'm catching up on a week away from the wiki. I'd love to catch up with you about WhoWeAre if possible this week. Let me know when would work for you?

peace, TedErnst

NERVOUS ME

bro, a drowning man catches at a straw, but he does so when he knows how to catch it... i dont even know that about it, sorry to disturb u at ur page, love u, waiting for u

Artsapience.com

Further editing of this page without the consent of the domain owners will be considered hostile. If Aboutus.org persist in allowing false,slanderous remarks we will have no choice but to seek legal action against your website.

Please contact for further administrative contact.

Artsapience.com

The post you are allowing to be posted are "defamatory and/or libelous".It is not a discussion,rather the mass statement of false facts in which our name is being slandered.

Awesome!

Great job on finding and reverting the vandal. Thanks so much for doing that!--Simon | talk 00:17, 13 August 2007 (PDT)

Artsapience.com

your "Community review" is more along the lines of slander and "defamatory and/or libelous" conversation Is this how you like to operate your site? By allowing users to go to pages and post false information? What if i went to teh Aboutus.org's page and posted false information would this be allowed to stay as it is "Community Review" or would it be deleted like this users commentary should about the site?

Artsapience.com

Well i have posted my "Community review" about this website I sure hope that you stick to your "policy" regarding my remarks.And if it is not then i request that you give my site the same treatment that you are giving to yours.As it would only be "fair"

comments on dmoz.co.za page

Hi Asad,

Thank-you for your assistance today! Your efforts in deleting the offensive content is much appreciated. Regards Gerrit

ArtSapience.com

Darkgiant mentioned that you created an account on the site and looked around the forum... I'm just curious what you noticed as I have seen some of the pages myself. KristinaWeis 20:39, 15 August 2007 (PDT)

Projects:WhoWeAre

Hi Asad, This is the message I'm sending to all people listed on Projects:WhoWeAre (TedErnst, Brandon CS Sanders, Obed Suhail, Asad Butt, MartinPfahler, Wally Wilson User:fridemar).

WhoWeAre stage 1 consensus poll went live just a few minutes ago.
If you have little time (one minute?), I invite you to take a look at your status page in the WhoWeAre stage 1 consensus poll and set an appropriate status message.
If you have more time, I invite you to look more closely at WhoWeAre and then at Projects:WhoWeAre to see what needs to be done, or add to the list of what needs to be done.
Thanks much! TedErnst

ArtSapience.com

I have asked your company (AboutUs) on numerous occasions to put a lock on the reference of our site ArtSapience.com until we have opened the rest of our domains and you and everyone else will obviously see what our company is about and that it is NOT illegal or pro-pedophilia, teen models yes but professional photography only and not every person that takes photos for a living is making pornography, supporting pedophiles actions HELL NO! there is a discussions and polls for people to talk about the law and various things about the inudustry but we do NOT think people should do anything to harm a child or to do anything to support those pedophilia actions, discussing the industry that we are referencing for at least a month before we open the wiki or search engine would be consider market research like any company would normally do but your company appears to be content to slander us and offer no means of correcting these false allegations you are forcing us to be associated with your company via Google and alike which is a major part of the internet share, this means a great deal of financial struggle your company is potentially causing us and how is this to be recovered. Your company willingly informs the world lies about our website and offers no means of correcting these lies and makes changes to our websites reference with out informing us.

Our website reference is being promoted as an adults only pro-pedophilia, As a loving husband and father of two I find it extremely unjust to be treated as a pedophile by your company, we are investing a great deal of time and money into this venture and your company is seeking only to advertise for people not to visit our website and calling it illegal and claiming we are associated with child sex which is most certainly NOT the case.

You have provided no feedback from visiting our forum and as the forum will obviously change from a discussion based research as it is now to a more business oriented when the other domains are available this reference will be so far from the actual reference it would be like calling Microsoft.com a pro-pedophilia site, what response would you get from the administration if you locked their reference and would not allow for any editing and continued to slander them as child sex and pedophile related.

I think that they would not find the humor in these allegations either by your company, We have had a number of communications with your website requesting the removal and/or locking of the reference in question but have only resulted in the reference being locked and having false keywords associated with our website.

I have provided a factual reference for your page in the user page you provided but this has been ignored by your company. We are fast running out of peaceful options.

Please Correct the reference ASAP,

Administrator/Owner

Art Sapience

Forums | Wiki | Software | Search Engine

Adult Content

Have you or any other membrs read that same policy in regards to our domain? Neither of what is posted in that exact link you provided is on our site.Why is there such injustice towards it.Becuase you do not agree with it?

un-Biased how?

"This site has bee alleged to contain PRO-PEDOPHILIA content and hence not suitable for children. The domain owner of this website claims that it does not contain any pro-pedophilia or illegal content. AboutUs believes that it's the right of the community to decide the exact status of this website. If you know anything about this website, and would like to weigh in on either side, you can join the discussion here."

How is this unbiased? an unbiased page would contain the original spider crawled meta data that was originally posted on this page weeks ago.With a link stating "you can join the discussion here" Not blatantly stating derogatory remarks relating to our domain.We have proven, and stated many times, by allowing your own staff members and other "elevated" users to join, and freely browse the only part of our website that is still not being developed.(Such as an un biased wiki similar to aboutus(or so you claim),but we will not censor or claim false information about users or domains or allow trolls to cause havoc.)

ArtSapience.com

The ArtSapience.com website do think it is extremely biased of AboutUs to block the editing and not allow the removal of the content and that of the

false reference information openly edited and described by the administration of AboutUs, it depicts our site as one of having illegal contents and

associates keyword with our domain on various locations around the internet such as search engines like google, yahoo, msn with reference to

child sex, pro-paedophilia and other disgusting terms which it certainly does not have and is most certainly against those acts.

I am a husband and loving father of two and also have studies in child protection and the site is in no way illegal.

We are looking forward to advertising the site publicly and the Art Wiki will know doubt be very popular indeed, containing legal references to

internet behaviour and that of art photography industry, We will be very open to discussion as the normal use of a Wiki based site is for (apart from

AboutUs, who will not allow a person or company to edit false and libellous information made about them described by the administration of the

site). There are millions of people in the world suffering from discrimination for things that are not legally binding and offcourse the offenders of

these crimes should be punished under the fullest extent of the law just as a racist or religious hate crime would be. There are many various laws

around the world and people interested in the Art Photography industry and that of its legal standing in various countries around the world apart

from the self absorbed American culture that seem to think that they are the government to the world and not just of there own country.

The reference your website makes about our completely legal website are bias and libellous just as you would make a racial or religious bias

your company has made a bias against our site and has denied any form of communication and has blocked the editing of OUR information. Your

company was provided a detailed description from the administration and owner of the domain of exactly what the business goal and that of our

websites under construction but you have failed to make any effort to rectify this matter.

Numerous persons from your site have visited the artsapience.com website and have joined and browsed the site and have provided no feedback

and were contacted while on the site and we were ignored again by your company, Your hate and bias for our site is further proven by one of your

administrative members of staff's public statement "In my opinion, the place is sick." about our website. You are outside you own legal obligations

it would appear, you refuse to remove the libellous references to our domain from your website even after explicit instruction and requests from

the domain owner as describe it your site legal statements.

Administrator/Owner

Art Sapience

Forums | Wiki | Software | Search Engine

Page Details

As stated VARIOUS times before the following is what we have been trying to post on our page from the beginning before all of this happened:

Art Sapience websites are a young company establishing itself in the industry and are still in the completion stages of various aspects of our site but below should explain who we are and what are sites are about.

We are designed for Professional Photographers and Professional Modelling Agencies, Allowing photographers to display there professional NO Nudity portfolio’s for free and to assist Agencies by allowing them to search for prospective photographers and models to work with. Also listing and display current market leading Agencies and there latest work so clients can decide if they wish to join that agency based on the styles of work from the current photographers.

We have an Art Wiki interface in the making that enables the industry and that of the public to reference information about the thousands of previous and current teen models that have found there way into the lenses of professional photographers. These models are ranging in age but are including preteen and teen models, Some models have stared in films or may have started there careers in beauty pageants and have managed to find work as professional models at such tender ages in order to build on the portfolio in the hopes of being a professional model. These portfolios are completely legal and in no way considered for our archive if they contain any nudity or illegal activities. (We are STRONGLY AGAINST any Child Pornography)

We also have a search engine facility coming online shortly to allow quick reference to the better or brighter side to the teen model industry, It has appeared to us that the internet is becoming consumed by the disgusting style of pre-teen and teen material out there and we hope to provide a both professional and also wholesome approach to this industry. If you wish to stop a problem simply deleting the sites of a genre will not work in the long run, they will simply re-appear worse than the last site they had and we feel that people need to be provided a choice to take the higher road, something that can lead people another way, away from the darker harmful areas that models and users for that matter get trapped into.

We also have a Forum which is for members to discuss there feelings with regards the models, the photographers and the agencies. Please note that we will do NOT allow any nudity to take place on these forums and we have numerous legal conditions and various rules all members need to agree to before any person is allowed entry and as such this forum is for those individuals to discuss various topics in the industry and to share there ideas and of late obtain technical support from our friendly but also highly trained computer staff. (Although this is not the purpose of our site we do not mind helping where we can)

As we are a young company we ask that you provide us time to grow and we always welcome feedback and any suggestions you may have for our sites.

Darkgiant 10:45, 19 August 2007 (PDT)

"Other Comments"

Please define "Other Comments".

Trolls

Considering these two users in question are trolls and the user ArtSapience(domain owner,server owner,legal department and co-administrator) has provided adequate background information about both of these users(one who is a child sex offender) I feel there opinions are nothing more then libelous squander aimed at causing commotion and getting them attention at the expense of our site and its users, as they have done at other websites.

RE Trolls

The user ArtSapience posted it on the artsapience.com page regarding the issue with the two members defacing our page.It is in the edit history of the artsapience.com page. Darkgiant 11:13, 19 August 2007 (PDT)

RE

Then what was the whole purpose of you asking me what the paragraph should state? If you have no inclination to actually post what you aked me to be posted on our page? We as the domain owners and authors have the right to what is said about our domain.Not others.The orginal spider crawling of our websites meta data will also suffice if you belive that "others" need to "discuss it".Revert it back to the AboutUs Bots orginal spider crawling in that case