PeerReview
People with PeerReview or Sysop status that manually go through each edit.
Currently this is called RecentChanges patrol - there is some movement to get away from the patrolling "bad" edits ideology and to review peer edits.
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Proposal
To parts:
- Let's drop "delete" from the PeerReview group powers, so as to essentially eliminate risk from granting this status, thus allowing us to grant this status far and wide, to people we trust are making non-spam, non-vandal edits. People that have an even greater level of trust and need delete power may be given sysop status.
- Let's add a new group, called "CommunityMember" that is given only "autopatrol".
- Please indicate YES or NotYet below and when we have a clear consensus, we can act on it.
- Ted: YES
- Mark: NotYet Mark, I put this here because it seems that upon first reading, you had some different thoughts that didn't match this proposal. Great! That's what NotYet is all about. Let's tweak the proposal until we agree. This is still just a WikiPage, nothing strange, no added structure. Just a thermometer. In face to face, this is nodding heads up and down or side to side, or thumbs up/thumbs down. Nothing strange here. :-) TedErnst (talk)
Discussion
Just clarifying what this means. Is this to allow people to use uberpatrol and manually patrol edits, without any other admin powers? TedErnst | talk 15:50, 17 November 2007 (PST)
- Initially this would allow normal patrolling the old fashioned way. I suspect it is a minor tweek to allow access to Uber Patrol -BUT- Uber Patrol is not yet ready for prime time and I personally would not release it to a larger group until the multiuser issues have been fully addressed and the UI has been worked over. Public Release of Uber Patrol should be a high priority and at least 1 Dev person should be assigned to fix and launch it IMHO John 19:29, 17 November 2007 (PST)
I'm inclined to agree with Simon that the power to delete might be too much for this group. What do you think, John? TedErnst (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2007 (PST)
- Lets try it, if it is abused we can remove it John 15:26, 19 November 2007 (PST)
- John, here's my concern. If anyone with the power to grant "PeerReviewer" status has any concerns about "too much power", even the slightest concern, then they will be less likely to grant the status, meaning we will have fewer PeerReviewers. I'd like to limit the PeerReviewer powers as drastically as necessary to get us what we want, which is many, many people PeerReviewing. Sysops have more power and thus we have fewer of them, because we're granting them much trust. As far as I know, no one has yet abused that power, but this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, I think, because we don't grant the powers far and wide. And, I'm not sure what we gain by giving them more power than we think they need to do peer review, honestly.
- This is not critical to change immediately as we are just learning how to give the new status and how to train people in what to do, but when we're thinking about who to give it to, I this this has to play a part, even just a very small part. Thoughts? TedErnst (talk) 06:15, 21 November 2007 (PST)
- Lets try it, if it is abused we can remove it John 15:26, 19 November 2007 (PST)
- In fact, the more I think about this, the auto-patrolling of these people's edits is maybe my favorite feature of this new group. Of course allowing them to review and rollback is great as well. With those two abilities, maybe that's enough, and allows us to really roll this group out widely, maybe even without much individual training for each person? We could see a person making lots of good edits over time and just put them in the group without a big fanfare. Or maybe "trusted member" is a different category? An earlier one? TedErnst (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2007 (PST)
I think that having the option for just a "let's auto-patrol this person's edits and give them the option to do the other stuff if they want" would be good. I think something like that minus delete would be great and then it could be just a hey "you have this functionality now cause we love/cherish/trust you and your edits (which are now auto-patrolled)...we'd love to show you the ropes on peer reviewer if you're interested." There are several people that do a lot of great stuff that I don't think needs patrolled, but I don't think that peer reviewing will necessarily be their thing. I think it would be great to lower the # edits that need to be peer reviewed and to help bring these people into the community more cause it's a great pat on the back in the name of trust. Kristina | **talk** 17:46, 21 November 2007 (PST)
- I love this idea Kristina and it seems to me to be the middle ground I would like to see. We need to create another group to add people to - maybe the ever tense CommunityMember? MarkDilley
- I love the idea of a first level of trust where we simply autopatrol edits and nothing else. "Community Member" like a fine name for this. In the future we might find we also want other levels as well, but let's keep it simple for now, yes? And, I still would like to remove "delete" from the PeerReview group so we can widely deploy that, even if people won't necessarily use it. Deletion power really isn't very much used anyway, and seems to have such a great risk to it, with abuse pretty hard to detect. And I'm not sure what benefit there is from PeerReviewers being able to delete. peace, TedErnst (talk) 09:03, 23 November 2007 (PST)
- I had always envisioned multiple levels of Community Members but don't restrict all this good thinking to just Peer Reviewing, think about it as a path leading to Sysop and as set of Community Members with specific skills like Editors or Power Users. John 09:16, 23 November 2007 (PST)
Technical Details For PeerReviewer
Great thoughts all, I'm really glad you are digging into this. I'm going to officially turn this over to the Community Team to manage (as if I could turn anything over to anybody). This is super easy to change, just tell Stephen which parameters to change and it takes him less than a minute to do it. John 20:28, 22 November 2007 (PST)
$wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['move'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['read'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['edit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['createpage'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['createtalk'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['upload'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['reupload'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['reupload-shared'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['minoredit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['purge'] = true; // can use ?action=purge without clicking "ok" $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['patrol'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['autopatrol'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['delete'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['deletedhistory'] = true; // can view deleted history entries, but not see or restore the text $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['rollback'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['trackback'] = true;
| Special Page | Bureaucrat | Sysop | RC Reviewer |
|---|---|---|---|
| Block | X | X | |
| Import | X | X | |
| Page Scrubber | X | X | X |
| Permission Override | X | X | |
| Rename User | X | ||
| Special Patrol | X | X | Not working yet |
| UnWatched Pages | X | X | |
| User Rights Mgt | X | X | |
| View Deleted Pages | X | X | X |
Technical Details for Community Member
$wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['move'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['read'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['edit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['createpage'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['createtalk'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['upload'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['reupload'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['reupload-shared'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['minoredit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['purge'] = true; // can use ?action=purge without clicking "ok" $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['patrol'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['autopatrol'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['delete'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['deletedhistory'] = true; // can view deleted history entries, but not see or restore the text $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['rollback'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['peerrev' ]['trackback'] = true;
Goal Statement
To have full community involvement in maintaining site quality, because a small handful of paid people can't do it.